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Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
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07/22/10 05:49 PM
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Hey gang..
Can anyone pinpoint the application for this Federal? I know that's a big block/hemi attach bracket, that's a proper cooler for a Saginaw but what's throwing me off is the later model pulley on it. Would this be for a '67 or'68 440 4speed B-body?
Last edited by hemi68charger; 07/22/10 06:41 PM.
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Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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07/22/10 10:53 PM
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Thanks Scott... Now, I'd like to beg the question, what does the Federal Power steering pump look like for a '67/'68 440 4-speed B-body then?
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
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07/23/10 03:24 AM
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Yes the fittings seem to go in different directions than all the others posted and my 71 340 pump. also i thought i read that they changed to a solid federal pump pulley about late 70 to early 71 but not sure.
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Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
[Re: mccannix]
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07/23/10 08:21 AM
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Looks to me like possibly someone removed the TA/AAR, 340 bracket and replaced it with this for Hemi only use bracket.
That's what I'm starting to think as well. I'm not sure the '66'-68 440/426 4speeds got the cooler on the Federal. I know they got the Federal, but haven't seen any with the cooler. With that being said, maybe the pump would be of use to a fella/gal restoring a TA and/or AAR. So, did the TA/s and AAR's all come with 3.55 and higher? If not, those equipped with the 3.55 come with the Federal with the cooler and the spoked pulley? I tried to search for engine compartment pictures of TA's and AAR's yesterday, but didn't get anywhere...
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Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
[Re: rm23j8g]
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07/23/10 10:31 AM
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Yes, "standard" ratio on AAR/TA was 3.55 with only option being 3.91, so all with PS should have gotten the cooler.
Cool.. Do you know if they had solid or spoked pullies? Also, seeing your userid is a 68 Hemi, do you know if the hemi 4-speeds in '68 and earlier had the cooler with the Federal?
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
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07/23/10 01:37 PM
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Well, as some have mentioned along with Scott, looks like my application is for a small block '71-later & AAR/TA. Seems someone put a bigblock/hemi bracket on it.. Soooooooooo, looks like I'll be searching for a "Troy trade" for a Saginaw with a cooler in good working order. This will help someone restoring a TA/AAR.. Thanks to Barry for the pic from the Challenger/Cuda board..
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Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
[Re: hemi68charger]
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07/23/10 04:09 PM
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Yes, "standard" ratio on AAR/TA was 3.55 with only option being 3.91, so all with PS should have gotten the cooler.
Cool.. Do you know if they had solid or spoked pullies? Also, seeing your userid is a 68 Hemi, do you know if the hemi 4-speeds in '68 and earlier had the cooler with the Federal?
My AAR has a spoked pulley.
My RR is a 4 speed with the Federal pump and does not have a cooler. Actually, I don't believe anything in '68 had coolers. I don't remember ever seeing one on anything.
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Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
[Re: rm23j8g]
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07/23/10 06:41 PM
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Yes, "standard" ratio on AAR/TA was 3.55 with only option being 3.91, so all with PS should have gotten the cooler.
Cool.. Do you know if they had solid or spoked pullies? Also, seeing your userid is a 68 Hemi, do you know if the hemi 4-speeds in '68 and earlier had the cooler with the Federal?
My AAR has a spoked pulley.
My RR is a 4 speed with the Federal pump and does not have a cooler. Actually, I don't believe anything in '68 had coolers. I don't remember ever seeing one on anything.
Thanks... It reaffirms my thoughts... '69 was pretty much the first year for the coolers on the pump... Thanks 
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application
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07/23/10 08:50 PM
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Soooooooooo, looks like I'll be searching for a "Troy trade" for a Saginaw with a cooler in good working order
Well,..Troy, if you find a Saginaw pump, I have a very nice original Saginaw cooler (date code 3399)painted ready to go, straight fins, really nice,....been stored for years, was used to base my repro coolers off of,...
A Troy trade could be the cooler for a set of 70 only E body racing mirrors chrome or painted, or a 70 only Cuda rimblow fishcap center,....used/repro  
let me know?
Mike
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