Federal power steering pump w/cooler application

Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/22/10 09:49 PM

Hey gang..
Can anyone pinpoint the application for this Federal? I know that's a big block/hemi attach bracket, that's a proper cooler for a Saginaw but what's throwing me off is the later model pulley on it. Would this be for a '67 or'68 440 4speed B-body?

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/22/10 09:50 PM

backside..

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Posted By: Morty426

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/22/10 11:48 PM

Look for the date on the pulley

I'm going to guess 440 police car.

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/22/10 11:58 PM

Looks just like my 71 340 unit

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 02:53 AM

Thanks Scott... Now, I'd like to beg the question, what does the Federal Power steering pump look like for a '67/'68 440 4-speed B-body then?

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 03:23 AM

The Federal pump you have looks about correct for any Federal application. There may be some small changes over the years, basically it's the same pump. T/A AAR quick ratio is supposed to have a "special" Federal pump.

The bracket you have is big-block c-body & HEMI - AFAIK

I am unsure if the cooler was used on any '69 Federal applications. There is some debate over its use on Daytonas and/or HEMI cars. The inlet & outlet appear to be clocked in a different direction compared to any I've seen. The cooler bracket is for the Federal pump, are you saying the cooler itself is Saginaw?

What are the dates on your cooler bracket?

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 03:49 AM

federal

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 03:50 AM

saginaw

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 03:50 AM

& pump

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Posted By: ademon

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 07:24 AM

Yes the fittings seem to go in different directions than all the others posted and my 71 340 pump. also i thought i read that they changed to a solid federal pump pulley about late 70 to early 71 but not sure.

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Posted By: mccannix

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 11:33 AM

cooler date should give some indication of its application. There are 3 series of four digit numbers on the coolers. 0210, 21st day of 70 is the date on this one.
I'm not aware of the use of this cooler on 67-68 cars.

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Posted By: mccannix

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 11:44 AM

Looks to me like possibly someone removed the TA/AAR, 340 bracket and replaced it with this for Hemi only use bracket.

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 12:21 PM

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Looks to me like possibly someone removed the TA/AAR, 340 bracket and replaced it with this for Hemi only use bracket.

That's what I'm starting to think as well. I'm not sure the '66'-68 440/426 4speeds got the cooler on the Federal. I know they got the Federal, but haven't seen any with the cooler. With that being said, maybe the pump would be of use to a fella/gal restoring a TA and/or AAR. So, did the TA/s and AAR's all come with 3.55 and higher? If not, those equipped with the 3.55 come with the Federal with the cooler and the spoked pulley? I tried to search for engine compartment pictures of TA's and AAR's yesterday, but didn't get anywhere...

Posted By: rm23j8g

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 01:51 PM

Yes, "standard" ratio on AAR/TA was 3.55 with only option being 3.91, so all with PS should have gotten the cooler.

Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 02:31 PM

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Yes, "standard" ratio on AAR/TA was 3.55 with only option being 3.91, so all with PS should have gotten the cooler.

Cool.. Do you know if they had solid or spoked pullies? Also, seeing your userid is a 68 Hemi, do you know if the hemi 4-speeds in '68 and earlier had the cooler with the Federal?

Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 05:37 PM

Well, as some have mentioned along with Scott, looks like my application is for a small block '71-later & AAR/TA. Seems someone put a bigblock/hemi bracket on it.. Soooooooooo, looks like I'll be searching for a "Troy trade" for a Saginaw with a cooler in good working order. This will help someone restoring a TA/AAR.. Thanks to Barry for the pic from the Challenger/Cuda board..

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Posted By: rm23j8g

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 08:09 PM

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Yes, "standard" ratio on AAR/TA was 3.55 with only option being 3.91, so all with PS should have gotten the cooler.

Cool.. Do you know if they had solid or spoked pullies? Also, seeing your userid is a 68 Hemi, do you know if the hemi 4-speeds in '68 and earlier had the cooler with the Federal?

My AAR has a spoked pulley.
My RR is a 4 speed with the Federal pump and does not have a cooler. Actually, I don't believe anything in '68 had coolers. I don't remember ever seeing one on anything.

Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/23/10 10:41 PM

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Yes, "standard" ratio on AAR/TA was 3.55 with only option being 3.91, so all with PS should have gotten the cooler.

Cool.. Do you know if they had solid or spoked pullies? Also, seeing your userid is a 68 Hemi, do you know if the hemi 4-speeds in '68 and earlier had the cooler with the Federal?

My AAR has a spoked pulley.
My RR is a 4 speed with the Federal pump and does not have a cooler. Actually, I don't believe anything in '68 had coolers. I don't remember ever seeing one on anything.

Thanks... It reaffirms my thoughts... '69 was pretty much the first year for the coolers on the pump... Thanks

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 12:23 AM

Here's the backside of an original 1970 T/A Federal pump/cooler

Mike

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Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 12:50 AM

Soooooooooo, looks like I'll be searching for a "Troy trade" for a Saginaw with a cooler in good working order

Well,..Troy, if you find a Saginaw pump, I have a very nice original Saginaw cooler (date code 3399)painted ready to go, straight fins, really nice,....been stored for years, was used to base my repro coolers off of,...

A Troy trade could be the cooler for a set of 70 only E body racing mirrors chrome or painted, or a 70 only Cuda rimblow fishcap center,....used/repro

let me know?

Mike

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 01:03 AM

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Here's the backside of an original 1970 T/A Federal pump/cooler

Mike

NOT!!

Since that is my power steering pump & cooler (see pic earlier in thread) with its 1973 dates and solid pulley. I'll "assume" it's off a '73 small block cop-car, but I could be wrong.

Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 01:32 AM

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Soooooooooo, looks like I'll be searching for a "Troy trade" for a Saginaw with a cooler in good working order

let me know?

Mike

Actually, all I need is a cooler. I have a big block Saginaw, I was just trying to find something a complete unit. But, alas, I don't have the mirrors or fish center (I'll keep looking) All I have is a used restorable rim-blow steering wheel (if interested in that)...

This is what I have again.. Doesn't look exactly like a TA/AARs? Maybe it's a later model 340 3.55 A-body pump with a big block bracket...

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 01:40 AM

Another.

Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 01:40 AM

date codes... codes dont' jive with my deciphering capability..
2704 = 1972, 701st day, impossible..
2704 = 1974, 270th day, possible

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 03:27 AM

WAG - '75 big block cop car

Posted By: Cranky

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 04:26 AM

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Looks just like my 71 340 unit

Looks like the same setup that was on my 71 340 Cuda but without the cooler....

Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/24/10 01:02 PM

Pump date code:
2D23 = ?

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Posted By: radiatorman

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/26/10 12:41 PM

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Another.

Sorry Troy,
Pipes are wrong for a T/A - AAR as they are bent the wrong way. Take a closer look and you will see this.

Bob

Posted By: ademon

Re: Federal power steering pump w/cooler application - 07/26/10 01:40 PM

Its also different than my 71 demon 340, and one i have off a 73 charger 340, both that i have are identical, maybe this one is off a truck of some type

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