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Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: tubtar] #753886
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And rear view

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Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: tubtar] #753887
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You can only use sliders when the springs are moved in 3"???

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #753888
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Anyone else use sliders?? Anymore pics?? Are they supposed to be mounted like Tubar has them or are they mounted straight up and down??

Anyone have a set they dont need anymore??? LOL!!!

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #753889
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This is the correct way to mount them.......travel is forward to back , not up and down.
The car is on stands in the pic , which is why they are all the way forward.
They settle to about 1/2 way in the travel when it is on the ground.
To mount them outside the frame rail would require some fabbing.........making a small " platform " for them to sit on and attaching it to the frame.
But it wouldn't be too difficult I think.

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: tubtar] #753890
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Ok...When doing this I would guess that you would have to bolt the sliders to the leafs then weld it to the frame....My question is...Do you weld it to the frame when the leaf is in the front,middle or back of slider????

When useing sliders,should you use aluminum bushing in the front??

Tubar...did you say it dropped your car down 1"??? My new hangers dropped it down about an 1" so if that will give me another 1",that would be GREAT!!!!

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #753891
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I actually loaded the rear suspension and put the eye in the middle of the travel.....then tacked the slider to the frame , removed the leaf and welded it in.
I am using aluminum front bushings too.
The rear eye on the spring is at least an inch lower than before.......maybe as much as 1 1/2 " lower.

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: tubtar] #753892
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Do you have a pic of your car so I can see the stance??

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #753893
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I am running into the same issue on a 68 Barracuda S/S clone. I am using the DC offset front hangers and shackles. When I mocked up my Dana, the rear shackles are pointed forward, it seems that the wheel is moved forward slightly in the wheelwell and the car sits WAY too high. I am using 10.5"x29.5" slicks and I realize that I will have to elongate the wheel openings in the front area for the bigger diameter slicks but the shackle position and rear ride height has to change. I am thinking about de-arching the springs about 2" but won't this change the spring rate decreasing the effectiveness of the S/S springs? I would think flattening out the spring some would also correct the shackle angle as well? I really don't want to add blocks to the rear spring hangers. Thoughts?

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: 68hemiss] #753894
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I am running into the same issue on a 68 Barracuda S/S clone. I am using the DC offset front hangers and shackles. When I mocked up my Dana, the rear shackles are pointed forward, it seems that the wheel is moved forward slightly in the wheelwell and the car sits WAY too high. I am using 10.5"x29.5" slicks and I realize that I will have to elongate the wheel openings in the front area for the bigger diameter slicks but the shackle position and rear ride height has to change. I am thinking about de-arching the springs about 2" but won't this change the spring rate decreasing the effectiveness of the S/S springs? I would think flattening out the spring some would also correct the shackle angle as well? I really don't want to add blocks to the rear spring hangers. Thoughts?




No it wont change the spring rate if they put it
back to what it was after de-arching it... it would
only lower the end point of the spring, any good
spring shop can do it

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #753895
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Do you have a pic of your car so I can see the stance??




Not just yet.
The car is still in the air............but the height reduction is based on where I see the rear spring eye compared to where it was with shackles.
I also moved the front eye back 3/4 of an inch when I installed the front spring hangars and should have gone for more.
The front of the wheel well will be the first place to hit when stuffing big hides in there.
I have nearly 14 " of usable width , so the drawback will be tire diameter.
I am at 28 " now with an inch to spare.......but with 3.91's , I think this is going to be just fine.
Moving the axle C/L back will allow a taller tire and there is a LOT of room behind the tire.

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #753896
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do the sliders improve the launch and traction? I have my springs moved in to the frame and i just welded a few tubes in the frame and drilled 3 holes in the front mount so I have 3 mounting location for adjustment if i need to move the rear end. The rear end was farther foward in the wheel opening so i centered it for tire clearance

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Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: dragram440] #753897
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I can't say .......my deal is still in the build stage.
For what it's worth , they allow the spring to react with out any binding and have far less friction than the stock arrangement.
They are way more common in oval track applications I think.
But it works on paper.

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: dragram440] #753898
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I took Mr P Body's advice and a friend of mine made up some aluminum plates/spacers to put in front of the hangers. It moved my rear back 1/2" which makes the tires in the wheel well look better and it also gave me more room to run a 29" tire to fill in the wheel well more.

Doing that,it did help with my shackle. The top is now at about 12:30-12:15 and the bottom is around 6:30-6:15. I will try and take a pic today.

Any other suggestions besides sliders or is that the best and easiest fix??

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #753899
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I took Mr P Body's advice and a friend of mine made up some aluminum plates/spacers to put in front of the hangers. It moved my rear back 1/2" which makes the tires in the wheel well look better and it also gave me more room to run a 29" tire to fill in the wheel well more.

Doing that,it did help with my shackle. The top is now at about 12:30-12:15 and the bottom is around 6:30-6:15. I will try and take a pic today.

Any other suggestions besides sliders or is that the best and easiest fix??




Your still going to have to move the top of the
shackle forward in the rail.... you want 30* - 35*
leaning forward with the weight on it

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #753900
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I took Mr P Body's advice and a friend of mine made up some aluminum plates/spacers to put in front of the hangers. It moved my rear back 1/2" which makes the tires in the wheel well look better and it also gave me more room to run a 29" tire to fill in the wheel well more.

Doing that,it did help with my shackle. The top is now at about 12:30-12:15 and the bottom is around 6:30-6:15. I will try and take a pic today.

Any other suggestions besides sliders or is that the best and easiest fix??




Your still going to have to move the top of the
shackle forward in the rail.... you want 30* - 35*
leaning forward with the weight on it





Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: blownzoom440] #753901
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Mine have been pointed wrong for about 10 years (never got around to it) SS springs in a demon car hooks fine with a 1.66 60' but it only a low 12's car.

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I took Mr P Body's advice and a friend of mine made up some aluminum plates/spacers to put in front of the hangers. It moved my rear back 1/2" which makes the tires in the wheel well look better and it also gave me more room to run a 29" tire to fill in the wheel well more.

Doing that,it did help with my shackle. The top is now at about 12:30-12:15 and the bottom is around 6:30-6:15. I will try and take a pic today.

Any other suggestions besides sliders or is that the best and easiest fix??




Your still going to have to move the top of the
shackle forward in the rail.... you want 30* - 35*
leaning forward with the weight on it





Any other suggestions??

Re: PICS OF SHACKLES WITH SS SPRINGS. [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #753903
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This is what iv'e done, the rear spring shackle is about 30* rearward, using a 2" spacer.

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The front shackle is flipped to lower the car, also.

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This is how it sits, thats using the 002/003 springs.

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