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Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740805
07/07/10 08:07 PM
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FINALLY!!!!! I loosened the oil filter and spun the pump and it went to pumping, I guess it wasn't picking up the oil because of air in it. I didn't get it started because I have got to put it all back together but I think it is fixed now. i want to THANK everybody for all the help and advice with out it I would still be bumfussled. Maybe I can get it back together tomorrow if every thing goes right. Thanks Again Ronnie




Was the oil filter empty, or did you pre-fill it?


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Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: MarkZ] #740806
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yep you didnt fill the filter did you.... dan

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: ph23vo] #740807
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Seen air locked filters on big blocks many times.


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Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: MoparforLife] #740808
07/12/10 03:57 PM
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Ok, I got the pump primed and it is still only oiling on the 1 side. I want to put the hollow push rods in it instead of tearing it down. I have the MP 484 cam and lifters in it, will these lifters work with the hollow push rods are will I have to change them too? Thanks Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740809
07/12/10 04:08 PM
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Most lifters have the hollow cup though some lifters use hollow cups for standardization of parts but do not actually oil thru (dissassemble one to find out) but the prob is that splash from the end of the p rod will not reach the shaft/rocker contact area and MAY not put enough on the stem as mag pedestal rockers for instance are different and have a hole in the top w a nub to direct spray.


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Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740810
07/12/10 04:54 PM
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Ok, I got the pump primed and it is still only oiling on the 1 side. I want to put the hollow push rods in it instead of tearing it down. I have the MP 484 cam and lifters in it, will these lifters work with the hollow push rods are will I have to change them too? Thanks Ronnie


Did you turn the engine over while priming or is thins with the engine running?? Remember that the engine only oils one side at a time depending on the cam position.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: MoparforLife] #740811
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I had it running, I oiled everything down before I started it. I put Lucas on all the rockers. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740812
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IMO - Get to the bottom of the problem - don't try bandaiding it. It may just lead to have a bigger problem down the road.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740813
07/13/10 12:38 AM
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sounds like the rocker arm shafts are upside down,the oil holes should be down and facing towards the exhaust manifolds/headers.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: dodge41969] #740814
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The shafts are on it correct so that isn't it. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740815
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Ok, I got the pump primed and it is still only oiling on the 1 side. I want to put the hollow push rods in it instead of tearing it down. I have the MP 484 cam and lifters in it, will these lifters work with the hollow push rods are will I have to change them too? Thanks Ronnie




You can not HALFASS it by putting on hollow pushrods , how is the oil going to get UNDER the rockers?

You are going to have to tear into it to find the problem, obviously you don't want to but there is no way around it, if you ran it and it didn't oil that side something is blocking the passage.

My heads hurts so I'm not going to go back and reread this , did you put a wire down the oil passage on that side ? If so how far did it go ? Sometimes that passage can be blocked with old hard oil if that head was originally on the opposite side of the engine and it didn't get cleaned out . ? Just a thought .

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740816
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The shafts are on it correct so that isn't it. Ronnie



Pull that shaft and post a picture.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Commando1] #740817
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The shafts are on it correct so that isn't it. Ronnie



Pull that shaft and post a picture.




Why ? If it was on upside down he would see the holes with the valve cover off ... I'm ASSuMEing he is NOT blind ... ..., ASSuMEing he has stamped steel rockers and even if it were on backwards , the hole towards the intake instead of the exhaust, he would still get oil out, it just doesn't direct the oil under pressure to the area that gets the most contact, the groove in a stamped rocker goes front to back so it still gets full oil flow.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #740818
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The shafts are on it correct so that isn't it. Ronnie



Pull that shaft and post a picture.




Why ?



Because, dummy, before I go on any further with my valuable expertise being given out for nothing, therefor proving you get what you pay for..........

I wanna see with my own eyes. Eyes don't lie.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Commando1] #740819
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I don't have any way to post a picture. But I can assure you that is on right, I have had it off several times. I ran a wire down it and it is clean and run the wire down the oil hole. So it is either tear the motor down are swap out the push rods and lifters. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740820
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I don't have any way to post a picture. But I can assure you that is on right, I have had it off several times. I ran a wire down it and it is clean and run the wire down the oil hole. So it is either tear the motor down are swap out the push rods and lifters. Ronnie




What kind of rockers are you using ?

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #740821
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The rockers are the stock ones, everything is stock on the heads. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740822
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It has been a while since I installed cam bearings. It is possible to have #4 (I think) cam bearing installed improperly or can the bearing shift enough to allow oil to only one head? If you can run a wire down the oiling hole then do both sides and try to get an exact measurement to see if one side hits the back of the bearing vice the cam. I would think that if you had a difference that it might be something to look at.

Something to try???

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: 68jim] #740823
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I'm sure he got the bearing in it wrong so now I'm going to have to decide what to do about it. I really don't want to tear the motor back down that is why I was thinking about changing the push rods and lifters, I have been told that would work by some and that it wouldn't work by others. I have just got to decide what to do. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740824
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I'm sure he got the bearing in it wrong so now I'm going to have to decide what to do about it. I really don't want to tear the motor back down that is why I was thinking about changing the push rods and lifters, I have been told that would work by some and that it wouldn't work by others. I have just got to decide what to do. Ronnie


You would also need to change the rockers they would need a hole for the oil go through stock rockers don't have this. Also must lifters now days are capable of pushrod oiling just look for the oil hole where the pushrod sits.

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