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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Mas
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11/28/03 10:18 PM
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This post wasn't about cam technology! It was about a not-so-thinly veiled insult directed at Moparts Engine Masters team and Moparts members. I'm not hearing "don't buy Hughes" due to technology, but "support those that support you". And Hughes has chosen to demean and insult us rather than support us.
Exactly! I was undecided between a Hughes, Comp, or Crower for the 440 in my sons car. I have never talked with or bought anything from Hughes but had heard some good things about his cams (and a lot about his attitude). As I said when this thread started, I will NEVER buy anything from someone who obviously cares so little for his customers.
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Masters
[Re: calmopar]
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11/29/03 07:56 AM
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Interesting reading...look at this section: Quote:
We calculated that for our shop to seriously compete in the first Challenge could cost upwards of $25,000.00 in lost time in the shop, machine work, parts, dyno and testing time and travel expenses. Many entrants do not figure their own time and think the cost is much less than it really is.
Why did his shop do this calculation? Why did he bring this up? There's easier ways to say someones an amatuer.........This statement is not about Moparts directly, this is personal...about not deciding to enter....and having to suffer the result....
I wonder if Hughes was thinking of entering under their own "banner", ...but chose to back another horse (Moparts) rather than ride their own.....
and in his eyes he lost...all that potential publicity, he feels he coulda ridden better himself....so instead of balming himself...he blames the Jockey..
...so now he's trying to shoot the horse ad Jockey...not because it's a bad horse...simply because he's a bitter about his own lack of participation and control...so someone has to pay......so he's just kicked the cat..
Mr Hughes, be honest with yourself...and you'll sleep nights.
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Mas
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11/29/03 09:15 PM
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WOW HE HAS A RATHER LARGE HAIR ACCROSS HIS B!!!
STOP BEING A CRY BABY AND MAKE THE BEST OF THE SITUATION. WAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Masters
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11/29/03 10:03 PM
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OK, I spoke with Chuck from Best Machine today who advised me that on page #3 of the "dyno testing" topic in the Enginemasters forum, it DID talk about the possibility of a soft cam. Specifically, "Streetwise" suggests that the cam may be soft and that Hughes may have some QC issues. Knowing the professional abilities of all involved, after (2) cams go, I can easily see how Bobby and some others (myself included) would start to feel that its an issue with the cam since these are brand new designs and suppossedly a new supplier grinds them. HOWEVER, if you read on just a few posts, you see that Jesse checks the block and finds the lifter bores to be off spec. and how JohnRR even states that Hughes had advised to check the bores. JohnRR takes responsibility for not asking DRAM to check this so I just cant see the reason for Hughes to do what he did.. Clearly a missed opportunity to be a "hero", and instead, a "zero".. 
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Masters
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11/30/03 02:07 AM
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The only dealings I ever had with Hughes Cams was with the son, Chris I think, he was very good to deal with,,,,he must take after his mother, what a way to deal with customer issues, I don't need that attitude, I think I'd rather take the advice of the Hacks on this board, than of the supposed "pro" with the attitude he has displayed on this issue.
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Masters
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11/30/03 04:18 AM
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Like many others here I tried to buy a cam from Hughes and couldn't get past the attitude. I don't give many second chances and he didn't get one.  One thing I can't quite understand is why he is so against "amatures". I can't remember ever seeing one of his engines or cams in a true professional race car of any class. I suspect that several of the people involved with the EM project have more experience with professional racing engines than Hughes has. His stuff is made for bracket racers and street cars. So he doesn't sell to pros and he doesn't like to sell to amatures. Who does that leave for potential customers?  Martin
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Masters
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11/30/03 04:21 AM
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Mas
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11/30/03 05:13 AM
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I love MoparMal's posts. He's always getting to the uncomfortable heart of things.
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Mas
[Re: calmopar]
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11/30/03 05:22 AM
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I love MoparMal's posts. He's always getting to the uncomfortable heart of things.
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Masters
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11/30/03 06:11 AM
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OK, I spoke with Chuck from Best Machine today who advised me that on page #3 of the "dyno testing" topic in the Enginemasters forum, it DID talk about the possibility of a soft cam.
Specifically, "Streetwise" suggests that the cam may be soft and that Hughes may have some QC issues. Knowing the professional abilities of all involved, after (2) cams go, I can easily see how Bobby and some others (myself included) would start to feel that its an issue with the cam since these are brand new designs and suppossedly a new supplier grinds them. HOWEVER, if you read on just a few posts, you see that Jesse checks the block and finds the lifter bores to be off spec. and how JohnRR even states that Hughes had advised to check the bores.
JohnRR takes responsibility for not asking DRAM to check this so I just cant see the reason for Hughes to do what he did.. Clearly a missed opportunity to be a "hero", and instead, a "zero"..
Exactly. That's the section I posted about earlier. Still, there was no way a reasonable person should take offense to that; when you run into problems with an engine you have to eliminate all the possible scenarios, and you guys were just running thru them; thinking out loud. My guess is Hughes read that far, and just flew off the handle. Too bad.
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Mas
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11/30/03 10:49 AM
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The only dealings I ever had with Hughes Cams was with the son, Chris I think, he was very good to deal with,,,,he must take after his mother,
Funny,after talking with both Dave and his boy I told people I thought the milk man must have come around an awful lot years ago  they are not cut from the same cloth.
who is that guy?
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Masters
[Re: FY1CUDA]
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11/30/03 12:41 PM
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So he doesn't sell to pros and he doesn't like to sell to amatures. Who does that leave for potential customers?
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Ummmmmmmmm, Students?
well....sort of.
preferrably students who enjoy spending their money dealing with a guy on the other end of the phone giving them a bunch of 'Tude.
he'll make certain they understand that even though they definately arent worthy of being allowed to do business with him, that he will, against his better judgement, take their money and sell them some parts, knowing full well its a mistake on his part because they obviously arent smart enough, or professional enough to make good use of them.
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Re: Hughes Engines comments re: Moparts Engine Mas
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11/30/03 01:59 PM
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Don1 I give the people on this site credit they have not been bad mouthing Hughes as much as they could of.All I have read is response to a letter wrote by Dave.He is the one that wrote it. All he did with this is to show future buyers his poor attitude toward the people that buy his products. I for one tried to talk to him and was treated like crap,like I said way earlier is this thread. He lost my buisness 3 years ago.This proves to me that he is still a jerk now. You said that this is your last race motor so way do you care?This post should be where everyone can read and make there own mind up about Hughes.
If the MODS did their job I would not be hitting the notify MOD button. LOL
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