Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long
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give me a ball park figure of what width shims you need or there bouts....I may have some left over from a past project. Im almost positive they are Indy spacers/shims, maybe .125-.150 thick or around that... I will box them up ship them out and give them to you free of charge, if you can use them.... And IF..if i still have them, and If I can find them...My garage looks like a category V hurricane swept through it...LOL... Hows that sound man?
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long
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Bob that is pretty much how i did it. i frist mocked eveything up with out the push rods.one some of the intake rockers it looks like the only way i will get the rocker to be perfect is i will have to machine the side of the rocker arm.if i have to do that i will buy new rockers.but 99.9 percent of my problems i think are with the spacer springs.mopar65
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long
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hi sorry no picks as of right now.i know i am trying to set them up right and it would be easier if you guys could see with your own eyes what i am talking about instead of me trying to tell you. thanks Mopar65
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long
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bob that is very kind of you. I will have to remove my rocker shafts and pull the spacer springs then recheck everything.I will let you know what i find out. well damn i was just informed that my Brand new $175 doller manton push rods will not work with the HS. ok now i am in a bad mood again.i dont have the money for HS rockers and push rods. so how does everybody like the hugehs roller rockers? thanks Mopar65
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long
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by the time you buy the hughes rockers and the other stuff you need you'll probably be getting within 100.00 bucks of the complete Sharp rocker kit. there's no comparison between the two, the sharps are far superior in every aspect.
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long
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I'm sure you already know this but the intake and exhaust rockers are different. If you had a couple reversed it would sure throw a cramp into your spacing. I would also ditch the spring spacers and measure what you need for solid spacers. I don't know if I would use plastic tho. Just seems wrong but if it works... If you took too much off the hold downs I would replace those as well. For fine tuning the spacing go to a Cummins dealer and get valve spring shims for an N14. They are hardened and the perfect size to fit your shafts. They come in various thicknesses from a few thou to a lot of thou and best of all they are cheap. Kevin
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long
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To be honest I wouldnt run the Indy rockers... if you have a line on the HS... get them
What problems are everyone are having with Indy rockers?Just asking so i wood be aware of what to look for with these Indy rockers.been running these rockers sense the build with no serous problems(knock on wood)also my cam is a solid roller with 693/706 on the lift.Thaxx.
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long
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To be honest I wouldnt run the Indy rockers... if you have a line on the HS... get them
What problems are everyone are having with Indy rockers?Just asking so i wood be aware of what to look for with these Indy rockers.been running these rockers sense the build with no serous problems(knock on wood)also my cam is a solid roller with 693/706 on the lift.Thaxx.
I guess your not running alot of spring pressure, they dont like much pressure... they tend to fail if you run much pressure... dont ask me how much as I cant answer that but I would believe it also the revs that goes along with the pressure
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long( UPDATE)
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well i just got back from mocking my rockers back up.this time i took all the shims out and the spacer springs.I am using the factory hold downs and now everything looks right.but the side of the rocker body is sitting right against the factory hold down.am i supposed to run a shim there to keep the hold down from eating into the rocker arm? the bad thing is if i put a shim there i loose my rocker to valve tip alignment and the thinest shim that cam with my hold downs is 0.015. also with trying to use the factory crane spacer springs just trying to put the shafts on with no push rods was a big pain in the Butt.looks like i just need to get some soild rocker spacers to use with these. bob here are the measurements that i got between the rocker arms
cylinder 1 0.680 cylinder 3 0.661 cylinder 5 0.670 cylinder 7 0.656
are these numbers soposed to be like this i mean all over the place? i measured each one 3 times to make sure. here is the best pic i could get of them.thanks mopar65
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long( UPDATE)
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well i just got back from mocking my rockers back up.this time i took all the shims out and the spacer springs.I am using the factory hold downs and now everything looks right.but the side of the rocker body is sitting right against the factory hold down.am i supposed to run a shim there to keep the hold down from eating into the rocker arm? the bad thing is if i put a shim there i loose my rocker to valve tip alignment and the thinest shim that cam with my hold downs is 0.015. also with trying to use the factory crane spacer springs just trying to put the shafts on with no push rods was a big pain in the Butt.looks like i just need to get some soild rocker spacers to use with these. bob here are the measurements that i got between the rocker arms
cylinder 1 0.680 cylinder 3 0.661 cylinder 5 0.670 cylinder 7 0.656
are these numbers soposed to be like this i mean all over the place? i measured each one 3 times to make sure. here is the best pic i could get of them.thanks mopar65
You should put a shim on the outside next to the hold downs so it isnt steel on alum then measure the remaining distance between the rockers... but the outside shims should be with the rockers centered on the stems.... if it needs to move over towards the hold down then I would suggest getting different hold downs, preferably alum ones that can be milled if necessary
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long( UPDATE)
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They should... I like to have about .015 play in the rocker side clearance so if you can get it fine but a little less wont kill ya
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Re: I am about ready to give up!!! long( UPDATE)
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just wanted to say thanks for all the help guys. mike i just got done ordering the spacers and more shims to replace the ones i bent.So i hope this works. if not i will only be out 38 dollers.if these dont work i will order the HS thanks Bobby
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