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Re: Edelbrock EFI
[Re: moparmojo]
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06/12/08 05:17 AM
06/12/08 05:17 AM
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Is this the ProFlo or ProFlo2 system? Is this happening when letting off the gas from a steady cruise, during cruising, or when letting off from full throttle blast?
BTW, if you are near Tucson I would be happy to try and help you out if I can.
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Re: Edelbrock EFI
[Re: Jerry]
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06/12/08 08:55 AM
06/12/08 08:55 AM
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not much help, but popping through the exhaust typically means its going rich on decel. popping through the intake a lot of times is due to a lean condition. most efi systems spike lean when you snap the throttle closed, and then compensate. I'd guess you need to pull a little fuel out in the closed throttle position?
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Re: Edelbrock EFI
[Re: anmracing]
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06/12/08 05:58 PM
06/12/08 05:58 PM
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Dogdays,
Everything seems to be working pretty good. It started right up on the first go and runs strong. I just need to fine tune it. What kind of problems have people had that say the electronics are crappy?
Daytona Turbo,
Yup, just playing the waiting game so far. I asked them if they have any suggestion for tuner/installers in the Phoenix area too. They gave me a name and I’m going to have him take a look at it next week.
Thunderhead,
It’s the Pro-Flo. Yup, letting off the gas I was thinking the same thing as Patrick about going too rich on deceleration but I am having issues trying to figure this computer out. It’s always been a carb’d car so I’m new with computer stuff……..
I’m in Phoenix. I don’t get down to Tucson too often anymore. Too busy with work and working on the car…. Having a MOPAR and all………
I’m not sure about the O2 sensor. I thought it was a wide band but not sure.
I’ll let you all know what happens after we look at next week…..
EDIT: Thanks for all the responses. Appreciate all the help I can get.....
Last edited by anmracing; 06/12/08 06:01 PM.
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Re: Edelbrock EFI
[Re: dogdays]
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06/13/08 10:54 AM
06/13/08 10:54 AM
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Hey, I didn't say they were but others have voiced that opinion. The problems mostly center around a lack of tunability. I had a friend put one of the kits on a 1995 suburban 5.7 and he said it ran rich pretty much all the way through the rpm range, and he was a trained dealer mechanic.
If your is working for you then more power to you! I'd like to FI my 318 poly, I am getting really tired of that Stromberg POS.
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I've said they were junk on MANY ocassions. Why? Because they are. The Pro Flo 2 units are supposed to have solved the myriad of problems the first gen units had. I put one(first gen) on a customers BB Chevy engine on a car I resto-modded a few years back. The very first thing I noticed was the fuel pump was completely inadequate. The second thing was the largest compatible cam was a joke. The third thing is it's VERY HARD to tune without a chassis dyno-and even pretty hard to tune with one. I had this car to two different VERY GOOD tuners and it still does not run as well as if it would have if I had just used a carb. It does start and run decently cold but that's the only advantage I see it having over a Dominator. Unless you are an EFI wiz I suggest you turn it over to one. If you ever expect to get the maximum out of the unit you will have to upgrade the pump. On the dyno there was a hundred HP difference between the supplied pump and the upgraded unit.-Bob
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Re: Edelbrock EFI
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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06/13/08 02:06 PM
06/13/08 02:06 PM
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I though the reason to go EFI was for simple and ease of driving you know let the computer figure it out.  Doesn't the kit come with all that junk?
Lol, the computer's not that smart. You still have to do most of the 'figuring out' part of it. Although IIRC, some's now selling an efi kit that claims to be able to do it all, all on it's own. Forget the name of it though.
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Re: Edelbrock EFI
[Re: anmracing]
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07/01/08 10:45 PM
07/01/08 10:45 PM
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Well I've been working on it and had a local mech look at it. We managed to get to stop popping. Too rich then running lean all of a sudden.... Runs good but still have some bugs in it that I'm working out. I'm thinking the cam is not right for it even though I gave Edelbrock all the info they needed. It's just a matter of working out all the kinks at this point.
I was kinda wonderin' about the pump too. I've noticed a lot of negative threads about the pumps on several forums.
We'll see what happens, still working on it.
THE PUMP IS COMPLETELY INADEQUATE!! The rest of the package is not much better. I got stung on one of these units too so don't feel bad. I spent about 2000 bucks in dyno time at Westech Performance on two different sessions to get mine even adequate. The very knowledgeable guys at Westech basically told me they they don't know how Vic sleeps at night selling this kind of garbage. The ProFlo 2 unit has supposed to have solved many of the original's problems but I won't give them another chance. BTW the stock pump will cost you about 100 horsepower over a properly sized unit. I know this from dyno experience. -Bob
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Re: Edelbrock EFI
[Re: BobR]
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07/02/08 11:57 PM
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I'd really like to see some real world testing of this. I mean, how long have these fuel injection set ups been on the market now and I have yet to see any one of the major Mopar magazines do a real complete in depth install "&" test. Seems like when they do any sort of article it is generic and only covers the the basic install or reasons why fuel injection itself is a good thing. I want someone to really test these kits out. Do a full blown several month test on them. Install, tuning, performance, head ache factor and real results. I want to see the Eddy set up, a FAST system, and maybe a couple others. I just read the retrotek article, but it basically missed out on how it truely performed. They said they had bugs but no real detail about what they were and how they needed to be resolved. I badly want fuel injection, but honestly at this point many on here have just convinced me it is either too above my head, my price range, and put too many doubts into my noggin about what I thought I really wanted.
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Re: Edelbrock EFI
[Re: Mopar_Rich]
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07/03/08 12:13 PM
07/03/08 12:13 PM
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I think I'll suggest to Randy @ MM to do just that - an article that compares 4 or 5 EFI systems and show the results. I already tested 7 systems but they were all on different engines. There's a missing point however; The engine dyno doesn't give you the feel that driving a car does, and it's those nasty transitions that you feel. I can get any system to run pretty good in a steady state.
You just nailed it. The Eddy unit I have now runs pretty good on the top and at a steady cruise but even after all the resources that I threw at it what you just said nails it. There are places on the throttle where it just SUCKS! -Bob
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Most of the mag tests are useless. Even if they get it to perform well on the dyno, that means nothing as far as street manners go. Would be cool to read some back-to-back reviews of the different systems, but from an unbiased source(read: someone who DOES NOT sell an efi unit).