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Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: deansrr] #713493
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I think I would at least pull valve covers off, just to check things out




About to step out to the garage right now to take care of that.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713494
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double check your plug wires to be sure you have the correct firing order.
Use a screw driver and hold on your distributer base to see if the sound is coming from there... stethoscope is better.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713495
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i had a 383 in my 65 dodge and the squeak noise wound up being a burnt exhaust valve..had like a "V" shape burned into it, are they 906 heads? are you running no lead fuel? cause if you dont have hardened seats they will burn. i hope this helps and i hope im wrong

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Bob's71R/T] #713496
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Pat, the rocker arm shafts have offset oiling holes for the rocker arms. Is it possible you have one or both of them turned around backward so the rockers aren't getting proper oiling?

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713497
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Can't view the video at work but I hope it's not the same squeek I had years ago. Mine was a rod bearing.


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Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Dave Watt] #713498
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Pat, the rocker arm shafts have offset oiling holes for the rocker arms. Is it possible you have one or both of them turned around backward so the rockers aren't getting proper oiling?




I'm seriously hoping this was my issue. Pulled the driver's side valve cover today and the #1 exhaust rocker looked like this:









That is fine metal dust. The inside cup of the rocker is bone dry, and the pushrod tip is also dry. After I removed the two pieces and fit them together and moved them briskly back and forth, they began squeaking.

I haven't moved over to the pass. side yet, but I did inspect all 7 of the other rockers and they all appear to be fine.

I guess my question would then be, what would cause this rocker to not be getting oiled? I've got 70PSI pressure on a cold start, and the engine was actually nose down a little while it was in my driveway.

Thanks for the continued suggestions

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713499
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Yikes....

Here is what the driver's side rocker shaft looks like. Above are the numbers stamped in the rocker's underside, below is obviously their location, and below that is the cylinder.



The stamped numbers don't seem to make any sense in the arrangement of them in relation to the int/exh lineup. Also, the one rocker I'm having the squeak on is not numbered like the others. It is 162+ and the others are 167+/166+. Interesting?

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713500
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Is it possible that the oil hole for that rocker is plugged up? Remove the shaft and clean it real good and check all of the oil holes. Reassemble and pull the plugs and coil wire and turn the engine over and observe the oil flow to make sure oil is getting into all of the rockers.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Mopar_Country] #713501
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Possible that cam brngs. are not indexed right, #1 exhaust is the last to get oiled.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: beedees] #713502
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Possible that cam brngs. are not indexed right, #1 exhaust is the last to get oiled.




Possible I'm a complete moron. You can't see it in the picture above, but the way the rocker shaft was rotated, the oiling holes were facing upward.

I'll reinstall in with the holes facing down, correctly, but I'd still like to know how exactly to make sure the right rocker shaft is on the right int/exh portion of the shaft.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713503
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Oil holes down, pointing to the valves.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: beedees] #713504
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Oil holes down, pointing to the valves.




Got it

Now I'm more interesting in assuring I've got the rockers positioned properly on the shaft. Like I said, is this just something you test and fit, or is there an appropriate orientation that I should follow to make sure everything is aligned properly and oiling correctly?

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713505
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Well, I have only dealt with small blocks, but IF the big block shafts work the same way there is a notch on one end of the shaft. The left bank (drivers side) the notch should be in the front in the down position, the right bank the notch should be in the back in the down position.

When I reassembled my rocker assembly there was an R and an L stamped in the rocker for right and left as you looking at them.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713506
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Just make sure you get the rockers on the shaft in the right order, they are right and left offset.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: beedees] #713507
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What was the result Pat?

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Dave Watt] #713508
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Yes Pat we all want to know, we can't sleep at night, What the HELL is that squeak??


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Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: deansrr] #713509
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Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #713510
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I had the same noise appear in my 440 a few weeks after i bought the car, a noise that sounded like a bearing going out or something, listened all over with a dowl but couldnt figure it out.

It sounded like it was coming from the right side, but couldnt pinpoint it.

It went away when i changed the oil the first time after i had the car. It had a blue GM filter on it.

I took apart the filter thinking it may have been collapsed, it looked ok. It hasnt made the noise since, could have been thin oil too.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #713511
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Sorry folks. I've been doing a little too much of this ^^^ and as such, everything is still apart. I was also chasing what, at first glimpse, appeared to be a vacuum leak and some possible oil sucking on the intake so I took that off also. This weekend I should get everything back together, properly, and run her. I'm excited about my chances this time

I'll keep this thread updated.

Hopefully this is enough closure for now for those of you suffering from insomnia as a result of my squeak.

Re: What the HELL is that squeak?? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #713512
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well I might sleep a little better this weekend

hope it works


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