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70' 440 engine block color #70213
06/08/08 11:41 PM
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a 70' 440 6pack motor is suppose to be painted what color? my car's not a real V code, but I want to make it look correct.

Chrysler Hemi Orange? I believe that is the color, any brand reccomendations? I was thinking about picking up a can of the duplicolor rattle can from pep boys.

Also what blocks were painted with the race hemi orange? I also saw restoration hemi orange? Are they the same?

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For anything but an OE show car Mopar Performance Restoration Street Hemi Orange is a very good match to the correct color. It's a very nice match to original and sold in rattle cans at any dealership.

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I'm getting ready to paint my engine and remember a post that discussed the items that where attached to the engine and got paint. The obvious items were: fuel pump, plug shields and wire looms, negative battery cable, throtle return spring bracket, exhaust manifolds, oil filter, ground wire, and throtle cable bracket. Anything else?

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a 70' 440 6pack motor is suppose to be painted what color? my car's not a real V code, but I want to make it look correct.

Chrysler Hemi Orange? I believe that is the color, any brand reccomendations? I was thinking about picking up a can of the duplicolor rattle can from pep boys.

Also what blocks were painted with the race hemi orange? I also saw restoration hemi orange? Are they the same?





The correct color for a 440 engine was called Omaha orange by the Chrysler Corporation. There were a couple of other names used but Omaha orange is the correct hue for the time period around 1970. Keep in mind that even though each plant used the same formula and color of paint, there were variations with the colors. Hemi engines were assembled and painted at a completely different facility and most people incorrectly use that engine's color code for their non "Hemi" orange engines. The black component assemblies that were bolted to the engine used two different black color variations for most of their applications. Another misconception with black components relates to the gloss or finish of the part. Pulleys were manufactured, by a subsidized independent supplier that was commissioned by Chrysler. The same goes for the power steering components, other related brackets or air conditioning parts. It would be impossible for these components (that were made by the various manufacturers in different parts of the country) to have pieces that were perfectly matched in color and sheen. While restoring the 440 in my Challenger we accumulated NOS or low mileage samples to determine the "family" of color and/or finish that was used for each component. Every black accessory on the engine should slightly vary, depending on the application and part. For instance, the A/C components should all have the same look (being made at the same manufacturing facility) yet be slightly different in finish or sheen than the power steering components, etc.

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Re: 70' 440 engine block color [Re: ECS] #70218
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Thanks for the call Stan. Here is a picture taken without the flash and a few other components installed. You were correct. The flash takes away from the clarity of the contrasting colors. This should help you see the differences in the sheens (gloss) I had referred to in the previous post. Hope this helps! Thanks.

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Dave:
Thanks for the information and the picture. So what paint did you use to simulate that 'Omaha Orange'?

From the picture, it looks like your color/sheen are very close to what I am using, which is the 'Hemi Orange' from Totally Auto. Curious to know what you used.

Thanks,

-Tom

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Hi Tom,
We started with Omaha orange and then tinted it to match the original engine color found behind the tranny on the back side of the block. All paints that we have used on the car are manufactured by Spies Hecker (Standox) and are hardened urethane paints. I know that the original paints were enamel but the difference in durability is unequaled. When applied you cannot tell that it is not an enamel "type" finish. Even the engine paint (on my Cuda) that we used still looks like the day it was applied almost 4 years ago. Enamel and spray bomb products will burn and start to discolor almost immediately upon engine startup. Steve used the same paint on Joe Humphrie's 70 RR engine and after 3000 miles it still looks great. It does not burn off or change colors like most paints that are used for engine applications.

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so I've got an extra can of chevy orange lying around...................










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I am a believer in the complete cleaning and wetting down the block with like a good quality thinner or reducer. Blowing it off with some air pressure hose. Then putting a good quality bare metal primer, or self etching primer, and then lightly coat it with a spray gun and cup Epoxy paint. I suppose Urethane works similiar as its provides a durable finish also. However I do recommend multiple light coats with some drying time instead of blowing a thick coat. Im not a fan of spray bombs either. I like the street hemi orange myself. There are some paint codes around here somewhere I have for the Dupont, PPG, but they are on my other computer.

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I agree completely with your process. Before we sprayed the urethane paint on the engine (intake, heads, etc...) we bead blasted everything to bare metal. After the engine components were assembled, we sprayed the engine with lacquer thinner and then blew it dry. A light (complete) covering of Standox epoxy primer was applied before painting. That stuff dries like granite rock! All of the recessed areas, such as the upper/underside of the freeze plugs, still look like bare engine metal. This process allows for an original factory look but with about 50 times the durability.

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There are some paint codes around here somewhere I have for the Dupont, PPG, but they are on my other computer.




I would like to see those paint codes. If you could post them when you have access, that would be appreciated!

Dave: Do you have a paint code for the mixture you ended up using?

Thanks, guys.

-Tom

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I hope to have back my laptop back soon from HP service repair ctr in LaVergne Tn. I remember someone here in the rooms posted the color formulas for street hemi orange, race hemi orange and that turqouis green. I know I saved that somewhere in my documents section.

Does anyone else have this also? It was a topic sometime back and I know this is where I copied it from. Earlier in this topic I noted that I used self etching primer. Indeed it was Epoxy primer, as it is a great high build compound and extremely durable base for the epoxy paint.

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I remember the discussion, but I could not find it while searching. I hope someone has the info, or bookmarked the discussion somewhere.

A helpful person on another board mentioned PPG 3116 or 61067. But I have also heard good feedback about the Totally Auto paint that I am using now, although it is a spray bomb. I can tell you that the color is nice, and it lays on really nice (at least on the valve covers, which is all I've done).

I hope that someone has those paint codes!

Thanks again,
-Tom







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