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500cfm for a 440? #70026
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Will a 500cfm eddy carb be to small for a 440 street car? I had two of these on the shelf from a previous dual quad setup. Would it be worth going to a 600 or 750 eddy? With two like new carbs on the shelf, I hate to spend more money if there isn't much difference. Thanks All, Alex

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: Alexdodge] #70027
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i like the afb's...500 isnt goint to allow a proper idle. you can try it, and get it to work. but .

you like the 800-850 TQ? or a 750-800 edelbrock ?

if you like tunning carbs, try a holley. they are for people who like to tinker.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: Alexdodge] #70028
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It will work pretty well for driving around on the street but you'll run out of air at WOT. Should be nice and crisp for street driving though.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: AndyF] #70029
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Or buy the edel dual quad intake to get some use out of them? But just one 500cfm'er?

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #70030
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I'm conservative as far as carb size goes.
I even run a 625 road demon and my 440 tow rig winni, and find it is a great carb....

BUT 500 is way to small.

I remember I had a 600 eddy on a 400 with some mods. Threw on a 750, and saw a 30 wheel hp gain on a g tech.

I agree with running both.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: Alexdodge] #70031
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Thanks guys, Guess I'll just order a 750 or 800 eddy and be done with it. I'll save the 500's for the 440 I plan for the 62 Polara that I'm restoring Alex in Ohio

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: Alexdodge] #70032
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Re: 500cfm for a 440? #70033
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A good running 440 will love a 750 DP. Your choice of makes. IMHO, anything less than a750 dp will cause your 440 to stumble and fall when you floor it, as it screams for more gas. scott

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: scotts66charger] #70034
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A good running 440 will love a 750 DP. Your choice of makes. IMHO, anything less than a750 dp will cause your 440 to stumble and fall when you floor it, as it screams for more gas. scott




Yeah, that's why the factory put a double pumper on every 440

IMO, a double pumper is a great way to waste gas on a street car.


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A good running 440 will love a 750 DP. Your choice of makes. IMHO, anything less than a750 dp will cause your 440 to stumble and fall when you floor it, as it screams for more gas. scott




Yeah, that's why the factory put a double pumper on every 440

IMO, a double pumper is a great way to waste gas on a street car.




DP's work awesome on the street. stay outta the secondaries and its no problem.
BUT if one wants the best carb for a STREET app.. its the CARTER TQ.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? #70036
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DP's work awesome on the street. stay outta the secondaries and its no problem.
BUT if one wants the best carb for a STREET app.. its the CARTER TQ.




TQ is a great street carb for the money. Best bang for your buck. But if you want something new/square bore DP would be my carb of choice. Every carb wastes a ton of gas once you get into the secondaries, regardless of whether it's got an extra pair of squirters back there or not.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: scotts66charger] #70037
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A good running 440 will love a 750 DP. Your choice of makes. IMHO, anything less than a750 dp will cause your 440 to stumble and fall when you floor it, as it screams for more gas. scott




I am truckless..
Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: Supercuda] #70038
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A good running 440 will love a 750 DP. Your choice of makes. IMHO, anything less than a750 dp will cause your 440 to stumble and fall when you floor it, as it screams for more gas. scott




Yeah, that's why the factory put a double pumper on every 440

IMO, a double pumper is a great way to waste gas on a street car.



How's that?? when they are tuned right they work better than any 750 on the market. Waste of gas and 440? like you're gonna run a 440 and expect good milage? As long as the carb is tuned it will do fine as soon as you crack the 2ndaries any carb is going to eat gas.
Stock 67 440's came w/ a 625, that's about as small as I'd go.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #70039
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I think the last thing a 500 cfm carb would do on a 440 is bog, but that is a little small and may be better suited for a tow vehicle 440.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: buildanother] #70040
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The amount of misinformation on this board about carb sizing is staggering. Any performance carb will supply "enough gas" to mix with the air that can flow through the carb. The 500 cfm carb will support about 300 horsepower. That's using the rule of thumb of 0.6 hp per cfm.

Thousands of 413s ran millions of hours with two-barrel carburetors, pumping water and performing other industrial tasks. As I have said in a previous post my family car in the early '70s was a 2-barrel 455 olds which would run 90 in the quarter and would top out over 100 mph, the fastest indicated speed I ever saw was about 122 but the stock speedometer could have been lying too. (Growing up in North Dakota had its advantages in that there was hardly ever a cop around on the roads I drove.) The carb on that car was the larger Rochester two-barrel which I doubt flowed more than 375 cfm rated as a two-barrel carb, which would be about 265 rated as a 4-barrel.
Keep in mind also the thousands of dirt track racers using the Holley 4412 500 cfm 2-barrel, which would be 353 cfm rated as a 4-barrel.

Stick on a 500 instead of a 750 and you are leaving about 100 top end hp on the table. This power loss should all be above the torque peak. The car will run really strong until it "runs out of breath" which will be a disappointment but will not be accompanied by any expensive noises. Try it and see what you think. You can always buy a bigger carburetor later.

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Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: dogdays] #70041
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The amount of misinformation on this board about carb sizing is staggering. Any performance carb will supply "enough gas" to mix with the air that can flow through the carb. The 500 cfm carb will support about 300 horsepower. That's using the rule of thumb of 0.6 hp per cfm.

Thousands of 413s ran millions of hours with two-barrel carburetors, pumping water and performing other industrial tasks. As I have said in a previous post my family car in the early '70s was a 2-barrel 455 olds which would run 90 in the quarter and would top out over 100 mph, the fastest indicated speed I ever saw was about 122 but the stock speedometer could have been lying too. (Growing up in North Dakota had its advantages in that there was hardly ever a cop around on the roads I drove.) The carb on that car was the larger Rochester two-barrel which I doubt flowed more than 375 cfm rated as a two-barrel carb, which would be about 265 rated as a 4-barrel.
Keep in mind also the thousands of dirt track racers using the Holley 4412 500 cfm 2-barrel, which would be 353 cfm rated as a 4-barrel.

Stick on a 500 instead of a 750 and you are leaving about 100 top end hp on the table. This power loss should all be above the torque peak. The car will run really strong until it "runs out of breath" which will be a disappointment but will not be accompanied by any expensive noises. Try it and see what you think. You can always buy a bigger carburetor later.

R.




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Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: MoparforLife] #70042
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The amount of misinformation on this board about carb sizing is staggering. Any performance carb will supply "enough gas" to mix with the air that can flow through the carb. The 500 cfm carb will support about 300 horsepower. That's using the rule of thumb of 0.6 hp per cfm.

Thousands of 413s ran millions of hours with two-barrel carburetors, pumping water and performing other industrial tasks. As I have said in a previous post my family car in the early '70s was a 2-barrel 455 olds which would run 90 in the quarter and would top out over 100 mph, the fastest indicated speed I ever saw was about 122 but the stock speedometer could have been lying too. (Growing up in North Dakota had its advantages in that there was hardly ever a cop around on the roads I drove.) The carb on that car was the larger Rochester two-barrel which I doubt flowed more than 375 cfm rated as a two-barrel carb, which would be about 265 rated as a 4-barrel.
Keep in mind also the thousands of dirt track racers using the Holley 4412 500 cfm 2-barrel, which would be 353 cfm rated as a 4-barrel.

Stick on a 500 instead of a 750 and you are leaving about 100 top end hp on the table. This power loss should all be above the torque peak. The car will run really strong until it "runs out of breath" which will be a disappointment but will not be accompanied by any expensive noises. Try it and see what you think. You can always buy a bigger carburetor later.

R.








Especially with that misinformation part..


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Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: dogdays] #70043
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NASCAR guys make a ton of power with 390 cfm carbs, of course they have a few tricks but they are really 390 cfm carbs.

I think a 500 cfm carb will work just fine on a street driven 440. The power would be down a little bit at WOT but probably not more than 10 or 20 hp from a 750 or 850 carb. This is assuming it is a street motor with a mild cam and pump gas compression.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: AndyF] #70044
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TQ arent cool, they'll never catch on.

the sportier carter would be the AVS.

the hollies DP750 on 440 will kick some butt. the 800 AVS will keep up, and is much easier to tune.

AVS has a longer pumpshot good for highway gears too. for cruising the avs wins.

Re: 500cfm for a 440? [Re: mark7171] #70045
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Ahem....THERMOQUAD!!! I happen to have a rather nice Thermoquad off of a 74 440 in good running condition that I am selling


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