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Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? #700117 05/16/10 11:01 PM 05/16/10 11:01 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,075 United States STLDuster OP super stock
STLDuster OP super stock Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,075 United States	I am working on upgrading my ignition and am looking at the MSD 6AL-2. The instructions say not to use a digital or dial back timing light. Seeing as the only timing light I have is a Craftsman Dial Back has been around since the dawn of time. It may be time for me to upgrade. What do you guys use with you multi spark ignition? "No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness." - Aristotle

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: STLDuster] #700118 05/16/10 11:05 PM 05/16/10 11:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 802 Connecticut biginchmotor super stock
biginchmotor super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 802 Connecticut	I bought the MSD timing light....John.

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: biginchmotor] #700119 05/16/10 11:11 PM 05/16/10 11:11 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,075 United States STLDuster OP super stock
STLDuster OP super stock Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,075 United States	I was looking at this one but I didn't know if it was worth that kind of price. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-8992/ "No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness." - Aristotle

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: STLDuster] #700120 05/17/10 12:24 AM 05/17/10 12:24 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,163 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,163 Bend,OR USA	I bougt a Flaming River brand single wire battery powered timing light to use on the MSD BTW, I have used non dial back Craftsman and the Penske brand non dial back when Sears carried them, burnt them rascals up using the the old 404c and 404B and agin on the first generation MSD7 non A and non AL2 I do have two older(ten yrs+)Craftsman dial back timing lights with the cords that unplug that have survived numerous uses on a MSD7C and a MSD 404C(Mopar factory ignition plugin compatable) Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

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Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? #700122 05/17/10 01:08 AM 05/17/10 01:08 AM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 99 FRANCE / PARIS NENE member
NENE member Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 99 FRANCE / PARIS	I use a Snap On digital with dial back, do the job without any trouble, works for me on a MSD 7AL2. '70 Cuda with a 572 Keith Black / B1 heads with a sheetmetal intake (2 dominators) Lencodrive 3 speed trans. 2350 lbs with me Run 8.04" / 168 mph 1.11" 60 ft Fastest Mopar at the Euro Mopar Nats website : http://vantastic-racing.com/

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: NENE] #700123 05/17/10 04:02 AM 05/17/10 04:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 I Live Here
Quicksilver440 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	I have a dial back and non dial back craftsman...the dial back doesn't read right with the msd...but the regular one works great with my digital 6+.

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: Quicksilver440] #700124 05/17/10 06:16 AM 05/17/10 06:16 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 6,847 Missouri StrokerPost master
StrokerPost master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 6,847 Missouri	Quote: I have a dial back and non dial back craftsman...the dial back doesn't read right with the msd...but the regular one works great with my digital 6+. There was an article in one of the mags several years back about this. They tested numerous diff lights, some dialback, some non-dialback, and if I remember right, the el cheapo non-dialback light did the best. The dialback lights wouldnt stay steady for whatever reason, and I found that to be true with my Sears dialback light. Just used my Dad's old non-dialback after that.

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: StrokerPost] #700125 05/17/10 10:10 AM 05/17/10 10:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	I use a Sears dial back with a MSD 6AL with no problems even check it back to back with a elcepo and got the exact same readings with both lights. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? #700126 05/17/10 10:28 AM 05/17/10 10:28 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Flaming River 40.00 uses two D cells and one wire on plug .no other wires needed Same one here... best light I have used and I have a few of them... MSD can be touchy due to its multi spark under 3000 rpm.... plus the Flaming River uses the 2 D-cell you dont need the power hook up which is easier and faster

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: STLDuster] #700127 05/17/10 12:41 PM 05/17/10 12:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,720 Moved to N.E. Tennessee GomangoCuda master
GomangoCuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,720 Moved to N.E. Tennessee	Quote: I was looking at this one but I didn't know if it was worth that kind of price. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-8992/ I think that light is made by Ferret Instruments. The Ferret 80 looks the same and has the same features, just not red. Google is your friend. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a...amp;safe=images You will find it for less than $80. They also make several other models with or without dialback. Some have a tach built in. Some are rechargeable single wire units. The higher end models have red housings just like the MSD. The Ferret 80 is the cheapest, the others are obviously priceier. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: GomangoCuda] #700128 05/17/10 04:26 PM 05/17/10 04:26 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 498 El Dorado Ca 6 65signet mopar
65signet mopar 6 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 498 El Dorado Ca	Quote: Quote: I was looking at this one but I didn't know if it was worth that kind of price. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-8992/ I think that light is made by Ferret Instruments. The Ferret 80 looks the same and has the same features, just not red. Google is your friend. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a...amp;safe=images You will find it for less than $80. They also make several other models with or without dialback. Some have a tach built in. Some are rechargeable single wire units. The higher end models have red housings just like the MSD. The Ferret 80 is the cheapest, the others are obviously priceier. That light looks just like my Ferret from the 90s, still works great today. 1965 Plymouth Barracuda 273 M/SA 1970 Plymouth Duster 360/904 10.60s with J heads

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: 65signet] #700129 05/17/10 05:36 PM 05/17/10 05:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	no problem here with my sears dial back light either. I bet a lot of other problems gets bliamed on the lights.

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: NENE] #700130 05/17/10 09:03 PM 05/17/10 09:03 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,169 Virginia Beach, VA O Old School super stock
Old School super stock O Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,169 Virginia Beach, VA	Quote: I use a Snap On digital with dial back, do the job without any trouble, works for me on a MSD 7AL2. me too. 68 cuda formula S 588" bb 5sp 70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (SUBLIME) 70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: Quicksilver440] #700131 05/17/10 09:24 PM 05/17/10 09:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania b1dartsport super stock
b1dartsport super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania	Quote: I have a dial back and non dial back craftsman...the dial back doesn't read right with the msd...but the regular one works great with my digital 6+. Ditto for me.

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: 65signet] #700132 05/17/10 09:31 PM 05/17/10 09:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,363 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,363 Las Vegas	Flaming River... "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: Quicktree] #700133 05/17/10 09:34 PM 05/17/10 09:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,732 Watertown, WI MikeyT master
MikeyT master Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,732 Watertown, WI	Quote: no problem here with my sears dial back light either. I bet a lot of other problems gets bliamed on the lights. My same old sears one works well for it too! but.... now you got me paranoid. Maybe I'm running 55 degree total advance! Mike 1969 Dodge Dart Swinger

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: MikeyT] #700134 05/17/10 10:03 PM 05/17/10 10:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 465 Oconomowoc, WI. C Cudahlr mopar
Cudahlr mopar C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 465 Oconomowoc, WI.	I have the 6-AL 2 programmable, and have used the craftsman dial back, craftsman non dial back, and the flaming river, they all read exactly the same. 1968 Barracuda 360/727 11.20 @ 121 mph 421 rwhp 1985 Harley Sportster Bobber 2006 Ram 2500 sport - The Cudahlr

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: MikeyT] #700135 05/17/10 10:04 PM 05/17/10 10:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	The MSD drove my Sears dialback nuts. I got the battery powered flaming river and it works great.

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: ahy] #700136 05/17/10 10:42 PM 05/17/10 10:42 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,226 Cookeville Chilort Will Work For Mopars
Chilort Will Work For Mopars Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,226 Cookeville	A friend of mine bought the most expensive one that AutoZone sells. That's what I use (I think I've had it in my possession longer than he has). In general, I don't know how good it is, but my MSD doesn't seem to mess it up at all. I should probably check it with known-good light just to make sure. But it runs well, I sent the initial with the vacuum method, and it seems to run just fine.

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #700137 05/17/10 11:44 PM 05/17/10 11:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 587 San Clemente, ca enelson mopar addict
enelson mopar addict Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 587 San Clemente, ca	I have the blue point version of this light and love it, been using it for years as my go-to since it's 1 wire, but I can attest it does work well with my set up. (6al and now digital-6) I also have a MAC dial back light that I use for when I want to dial in total advance and a couple craftsman el-cheapos to check against and all are accurate to each other. Quote: Quote: Flaming River 40.00 uses two D cells and one wire on plug .no other wires needed Same one here... best light I have used and I have a few of them... MSD can be touchy due to its multi spark under 3000 rpm.... plus the Flaming River uses the 2 D-cell you dont need the power hook up which is easier and faster

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? #700138 05/18/10 12:02 AM 05/18/10 12:02 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta. go green super stock
go green super stock Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta.	Quote: Flaming River 40.00 uses two D cells and one wire on plug .no other wires needed Same here.. I have seen more people get all piled up on those dial back pieces of crap. Plug fires .... light goes on ... look at balancer ...done 6.50 @ 226 MPH 4.25 @ 186 MPH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX86DHGKBo0

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: go green] #700139 05/18/10 12:49 AM 05/18/10 12:49 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	I use a snap-on dial back and a mac tools dial back. Both work fine as long as i power them from a jump box. Hook them to the car and they go batty. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Timing Lights with MSD boxes - What do you use? [Re: bigtimeauto] #700140 05/18/10 06:13 PM 05/18/10 06:13 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,553 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,553 Rittman Ohio	I use the latest Snap-On dial back for my car with a 6AL and it works good Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

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