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Should I be worried? (440 Source related) #698503
05/15/10 02:19 PM
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I never had a problem dealing with Brandon or buying his parts. I know some on the board have had issues with 440source's parts.

I went on the site to look for some shims for the rocker shafts I have. I had purchased a full set of roller rockers, aluminum hold downs and spacers from him for my RPM heads. I now cannot find any spacers or the rockers, nor the hold downs. Did he discontinue them or did he find that too many people were having problems with them, yanked them from the product line, and stopped selling them and avoids the people bought a set...like we have the plague.

I shot him an email last week about a distributor gear I purchased and he hasn't gotten back to me yet...Nothing is wrong with it. it was just an inquiry about the design and stock he has


Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: Pyper70] #698504
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Did you try calling him? You have to realize the amount of emails that he probably gets is astronomical, along with any other company...and can't repsond right away.

Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: Pyper70] #698505
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Time is money to them. They are on 100% commission.

Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: Pyper70] #698506
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I emailed a question recently and haven't heard back yet also. It's been a while since I've asked them a question, probably since Brandon was answering all the emails...
440source has grown alot in a short time, be glad your calls are not being routed to India....yet.

Just sayin' if it's real important call 'em.

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Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: Pyper70] #698507
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changed the sight but I knew I was looking at the stuff thursday!
http://store.440source.com/Rockers-Arms-Shafts-Misc-Hardware/products/50/

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Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: Pyper70] #698508
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I had and issue with their water pump housing ,
Have no issues with them with other products from them in the past

Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: TOMRR] #698509
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Everything's still listed, they've just changed the wesite around a bit. Click on "visit our new webstore" and its all there.

Here...
http://store.440source.com/Rockers-Arms-Shafts-Misc-Hardware/products/50/

Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: Stanton] #698510
05/16/10 10:33 AM
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Got it...Found it all...At least they are still selling the products I have so they should be in working order without defects.


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Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: Pyper70] #698511
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Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: JohnRR] #698512
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Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: JohnRR] #698513
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Funny. I haven't noticed this one before.

Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: BSB67] #698514
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I emailed them about a month ago wondering if they have ever thought of offering an "all aluminum head, intake, waterpump, etc, package" and got no response.

Not really a big deal as I wasn't going to buy anything right away. But I was looking to build a full stealth 440-6 for my GTX.

I know they are very busy and are growing fast.

Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: cdp] #698515
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If was me, I wouldn't get the water pump housing unless they already corrected the water passages inside... make a search about.


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Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: NachoRT74] #698516
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If was me, I wouldn't get the water pump housing unless they already corrected the water passages inside... make a search about.




Are there different generations of their pump housings? I got one about 2 1/2 years ago but never installed it...yet...Would it be the same one causing problems now? Can I do anything to improve it (besides replacing it)


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Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: NachoRT74] #698517
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If was me, I wouldn't get the water pump housing unless they already corrected the water passages inside... make a search about.








on page 7 the guy says its the water pump not the housing thats the problem.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60599.0.html



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Sorry guys... I ran these critters to the max and it looks as though the problem lies with differences in pump performance and not the housings.

I used a rig with unrestricted 1-1/2" inlets and outlets, and 1" recirc lines that let the pumps flow to the physical limits of the housings. The housings seem to peak out at about 40 gallons per minute (a flow rate your vehicle will never see due to restrictions in the radiator, thermostat, engine block, hoses, etc). Trying to push the flow rates harder than this resulted in a lot of.... well for lack of a better understood term... Bucking. This information is just trivia of course, but still interesting to note.

That said... I ran the 2 pumps that I had (the stock 8 blade Mopar & 440 source HV unit) on the 3 housings that I had ( the 2 stock Mopar styles {Left & Right}, and the "restricted" 440 source unit), and in each and every case the pumps flowed the same irregardless of the housing they were mounted on. In other words, the stock Mopar pump flowed better than the 440 pump, but it still flowed the same irregardless of the housing. Changing housings had no effect on flow rates.

Note that as the rpm's increased, the 440 source pump started to catch up with the stock Mopar unit, but in the end it was still just a little behind... but not enough to care about.

Ron used a $90 Milodon HV pump on his housing which Milodon claims can flow up to 30% better than the stock unit. Unfortunately, I did not have one of these lying around to test that theory along side the other 2 pumps, so we will have to take Ron at his word when he says that the Milodon can move some water. Ron's word has always been good enough for me so I won't argue the fact.

There would appear to be a considerable difference in performance between one pump and the next, especially at the all important lower end of the rpm scale. This low rpm performance is very important because as we all know, an hot engine idling in traffic is no place for a pump with poor flow characteristics.

So... take it or leave it... that's what I got using the limited equipment at my disposal.

cheers



Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: cogen80] #698518
05/17/10 08:54 AM
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Using the information from the passage above...what would happen if you used the 440Source housing and pump and put an underdrive pulley on the pump. It would zip the coolant right through wouldnt it?


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Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: Pyper70] #698519
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The 440 source housing is fine.


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Re: Should I be worried? (440 Source related) [Re: JohnRR] #698520
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This is exactly what I was gonna post a couple days ago. lol







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