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tips for leak free SB oil pan? #696812
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My 360 has had an annoying leak from the oil pan ever since I changed over to 8qt mildodon pan last year. I've since tried to replace the gasket with the engine still in the car again to no success, I rtv'd around the whole thing that time which was probably a mistake. Last week I pulled the motor to repaint it and fix the few leaks I have.

What should I put on the pan gasket? Should the cork be dry or should I use some sort of sealant or adhesive? When I built the motor 6 years ago and put on a stock pan, I remember I only used a little rtv in the corners where the cork meets the rubber ends and it seemed to be leak free then....

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: 440newport] #696813
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I think with cork youre not supposed to use any RTV. I'm in the same boat as you, my main concern is the rear seal. I've bought a few different gaskets but the rear seal on all of them doesn't seem to fit right. I'm thinking I may just use RTV instead of the rear seal.

Also make sure the pan rails are straight and flat.

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: chache876] #696814
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Yeah I saw your other post. I believe mine was the same way the last time I changed it. The rear rubber seal stuck up past the edges of the pan, it didn't really fit the cap properly either, so I cut about 1/2" out of it and superglued it back together. The front seal wasn't much better, it didn't sit flat with the pan rail, they were kinda angled upwards at each end. I didn't take the pan off the engine to have a look yet, but I'm thinking the milodon pan must have some differences compared to the stocker.

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: 440newport] #696815
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Yeah I saw your other post. I believe mine was the same way the last time I changed it. The rear rubber seal stuck up past the edges of the pan, it didn't really fit the cap properly either, so I cut about 1/2" out of it and superglued it back together. The front seal wasn't much better, it didn't sit flat with the pan rail, they were kinda angled upwards at each end. I didn't take the pan off the engine to have a look yet, but I'm thinking the milodon pan must have some differences compared to the stocker.




mine was like that too!! on my 340 though. i told milodon about it last year and they want me to send the oil pan to them so they can look at it. but then my car would be missing an oil pan while they look at it.

but same thing, the ends of the rear seal on the pan is way too far up and i need to trim down fluch to the sides. the little titts didnt fit the holes either


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The front seal seemed to fit fine on mine but I just laid it on there, didn't push the nipples through. To date I've tried the recommended milodon crushproof gasket, fel pro, and mr gasket brands, all have the same issue on my pan. I should probably give them a call and see whats up

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: chache876] #696817
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How about the 1 piece pan gasket?

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: pishta] #696818
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How about the 1 piece pan gasket?




They are really made for magnum motors. And there is difference in the front corners that needs to be filled with a small piece of metal or a bunch of silicone. There are no tabs to fit the older pans too.

Mine leaks like a sieve since the day I installed it on my 360.

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: autoxcuda] #696819
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Make sure the rails are flat around the bolt holes and contact Roadhazard about one of his Superformance gaskets.


Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: 440newport] #696820
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I agree the pan stampings are poor at best. I used a 36 grit 3" 3M dicc to reshape the rubber end seals to the shape of the new pan. I cut the cork gaskets slightly short so there is a slight gap between them and the rubber end seals. Glue the cork gaskets to the block with 3M weather strip adhesive. A thin bead of sealer on the rubber end seals and between the cork and the pan(this fills the inconsistances in the pan). Be carefull and do not over tighten. Don't allow the cork or rubber end seals to "push out" when tightening. This methods will seal the pan. I use the G.M. factory light grey colored sealer,it sticks better than any I've tried. My pan doesn't seep a drop.
good luck Doug

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I called up Milodon today and they said my pan might not have been cut deep enough for the seal and to send it back to summit for an exchange. I asked if it was a common issue and he said no.

I'm going to exchange it but it still doesn't explain why the seal doesn't fit correctly on my block. Mines a magnum 5.9 but it should fit the same as a LA block.

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: dvw] #696822
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I agree the pan stampings are poor at best. I used a 36 grit 3" 3M dicc to reshape the rubber end seals to the shape of the new pan. I cut the cork gaskets slightly short so there is a slight gap between them and the rubber end seals. Glue the cork gaskets to the block with 3M weather strip adhesive. A thin bead of sealer on the rubber end seals and between the cork and the pan(this fills the inconsistances in the pan). Be carefull and do not over tighten. Don't allow the cork or rubber end seals to "push out" when tightening. This methods will seal the pan. I use the G.M. factory light grey colored sealer,it sticks better than any I've tried. My pan doesn't seep a drop.
good luck Doug




Do you suggest putting a bead of sealer all around the cork and not just at the ends? And the same for the rubber seals? On the whole thing and not just where it meets the cork?

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: chache876] #696823
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I called up Milodon today and they said my pan might not have been cut deep enough for the seal and to send it back to summit for an exchange. I asked if it was a common issue and he said no.

I'm going to exchange it but it still doesn't explain why the seal doesn't fit correctly on my block. Mines a magnum 5.9 but it should fit the same as a LA block.




I think you need to investigate that further. Search Moparts. I know it's been discussed before. AndyF was the last person I saw that brought it up.

Next time I see Milodon, I bring it up.

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I called up Milodon today and they said my pan might not have been cut deep enough for the seal and to send it back to summit for an exchange. I asked if it was a common issue and he said no.

I'm going to exchange it but it still doesn't explain why the seal doesn't fit correctly on my block. Mines a magnum 5.9 but it should fit the same as a LA block.




I think you need to investigate that further. Search Moparts. I know it's been discussed before. AndyF was the last person I saw that brought it up.

Next time I see Milodon, I bring it up.




Hi Steve, not to high jack this thread but I PMed you concerning a 340 car. Thanks.


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Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: 440newport] #696825
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I agree the pan stampings are poor at best. I used a 36 grit 3" 3M dicc to reshape the rubber end seals to the shape of the new pan. I cut the cork gaskets slightly short so there is a slight gap between them and the rubber end seals. Glue the cork gaskets to the block with 3M weather strip adhesive. A thin bead of sealer on the rubber end seals and between the cork and the pan(this fills the inconsistances in the pan). Be carefull and do not over tighten. Don't allow the cork or rubber end seals to "push out" when tightening. This methods will seal the pan. I use the G.M. factory light grey colored sealer,it sticks better than any I've tried. My pan doesn't seep a drop.
good luck Doug




Do you suggest putting a bead of sealer all around the cork and not just at the ends? And the same for the rubber seals? On the whole thing and not just where it meets the cork?



Yes,I use it everywhere except between the cork and the block.
Doug

Re: tips for leak free SB oil pan? [Re: dvw] #696826
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Well I got the pan off, cleaned it up some and took some measurements. Stock pan on left, it doesn't seem like much of a difference but it's enough that the rubber seal sticks up out of the milodon pan nearly 1/2". The opening for the front rubber seal is off a similar amount.

I bought the milodon pan because with a windage tray I was sometimes losing oil pressure when braking hard or sharp turns. The 8qt pan fixed that but I don't want annoying oil leaks either. I'm wondering now should I put the stock pan back on with a standard vol oil pump and ditch the windage tray..

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I called up Milodon today and they said my pan might not have been cut deep enough for the seal and to send it back to summit for an exchange. I asked if it was a common issue and he said no.

I'm going to exchange it but it still doesn't explain why the seal doesn't fit correctly on my block. Mines a magnum 5.9 but it should fit the same as a LA block.




I think you need to investigate that further. Search Moparts. I know it's been discussed before. AndyF was the last person I saw that brought it up.

Next time I see Milodon, I bring it up.




Hi Steve, not to high jack this thread but I PMed you concerning a 340 car. Thanks.




Yeah I mean I dont seem to know what the issue is as lots of people are running magnum motors with la oil pans.

I've done a lot of searching but as much as I love moparts, the search engine isn't very good compared to some forums. I'll try again though.

Worst case scenario I think I'll end up trimming the gasket. The guy I spoke with at Milodon recommended that over just using RTV

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I'm wondering now should I put the stock pan back on with a standard vol oil pump and ditch the windage tray..


You can keep the w tray and might weld in baffles to help on the turns/braking and check the pickup/pan clearance.


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Oh boy "SILICON" the "Cure All" for leaks and probably the Most misused automotive product on the shelf -> I think one of the biggest mistakes when using silicon type sealer is torquing the part down right away No matter how little you use you should snug up everything first and then do a final torque after the sealant has cured...The longer the better!....Now gaskets vary and thats where silicon can help you out but misused and you might as well leave the gasket out all together! I Always let the sealer set up before doing a final torque/tightning of an assembly.....No leaks 99.9% of the time

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My 360 has had an annoying leak from the oil pan ever since I changed over to 8qt mildodon pan last year. I've since tried to replace the gasket with the engine still in the car again to no success, I rtv'd around the whole thing that time which was probably a mistake. Last week I pulled the motor to repaint it and fix the few leaks I have.

What should I put on the pan gasket? Should the cork be dry or should I use some sort of sealant or adhesive? When I built the motor 6 years ago and put on a stock pan, I remember I only used a little rtv in the corners where the cork meets the rubber ends and it seemed to be leak free then....




I have the same issues with my 416" (340) with Milodon pan. Rebuilt motor with 288 miles on it and oil pan starts leaking. Pulled headers and pan, replaced gasket and rear main seal. Then pulled motor for dyno. Made about 8 dyno pulls and no leaks. Installed motor in car and it wasnt fired up for 1 year. After motor was fired up about 3-4 times and wasnt run over 3000 rpm's, the pan started leaking again !

My front and rear seals were on the tall side too. I'm building a 410" (360) right now and using a Milodon pan. Just checked the front and rear seals and they are too tall also. I'm really getting tired of having to modify these after market parts. Headers, starter, distributor, bell housing, rocker arms, and convertible top hoses, just to name a few (high dollar) parts that I had to modify to make fit.

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Well I just put it back on again using dvw's suggestion of using 3m weatherstrip adhesive on the cork, that stuff sticks really well! Once on the block it wasn't going anywhere. I also put some gray rtv in the groove that the rear seal fits into and where the ends of the cork meet the block. I then put a 2 thin beads of rtv around the cork and the rubber end seals. I put all the bolts in and just snugged them a little for now. I'll wait a few hours or longer then torque them the rest of the way.

The cork and rubber seems to seated right so I'm hopeful it won't leak this time.







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