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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: SLOW67]
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05/05/10 12:51 PM
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Grand Haven, MI
patrick
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KB107 pistons, stock magnum heads (or the enginequest 318B's hughes has on their website for $699/pr assembled with springs good to .540" lift), stock magnum rockers, headers, eddie RPM air gap, 750-800cfm carb, headers, and a comp magnum 280H will make that much power
1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD
1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod **SOLD!***
2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T
2017 Grand Cherokee Overland
2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: 68DART360]
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05/05/10 09:44 PM
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Florida STAYcation
dOoC
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I second Patrick's combo. The only thing that I had any different was an Edelbrock Performer Rpm cam and went 12.0 @ 114. 
What did the car weigh? .. converter, gear?
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: patrick]
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05/06/10 09:07 AM
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Between a rock & a hard place
cudadoug
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KB107 pistons, stock magnum heads (or the enginequest 318B's hughes has on their website for $699/pr assembled with springs good to .540" lift), stock magnum rockers, headers, eddie RPM air gap, 750-800cfm carb, headers, and a comp magnum 280H will make that much power
 What he said...you'd probably exceed your 400 HP goal.
There are many hydraulic grinds out there that can get to your power goals and then some. Match one the the compression ratio, converter and gears and off ya go!
I'll add a couple of things about those Iron Ram heads. First, we have a pair of EQ's we're going to play with on the flow bench. (Although we got them "as cast" rather than prepped from Hughes). We popped in a 2.02 intake to compare with a pair of 2.02 RHS/Indy heads we were doing at the same time. Interesting to note, they showed slightly better flow than the RHS's below .550" lift.
The other cool thing, for a low dollar street/stripper are the Magnum rockers: Keeping a lid on lift (you can only go about .530 without trimming the guides anyway) and spring pressures the OEM 1.6 rockers will suffice well. Further, if you do want to increase lift on the cheap? V10 (truck) rockers are 1.7 and are a direct bolt on!
Keep us posted on what happens will ya?
Last edited by cudadoug; 05/06/10 09:08 AM.
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: SLOW67]
#689429
05/06/10 02:52 PM
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Grand Haven, MI
patrick
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So I would be able to run a .508 cam with no machine work to the heads? If I can do that I'll just stick with the magnums. I have a buddy that has a set of stockers for $100...
remember, the mags have 1.6 rockers, which make the .508 into .541" lift. with my OEM magnums, using 2.2L retainers and hughes #1110 springs with the magnum keepers, I had about .510" of available lift before I began getting too close for comfort to coil bind and seal to keeper interference. when I had the valve job done, I had the valves sunk about .030" to get a little more clearance. I'm running .506" calculated lift with mine. a comp magnum 280H will be a calculated .512" lift with the mag rockers, and will have lift/duration specs pretty close to the 380HP crate motor's roller cam.
1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD
1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod **SOLD!***
2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T
2017 Grand Cherokee Overland
2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: cudadoug]
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05/06/10 02:54 PM
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La Vernia, Texas
Pat7272
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Further, if you do want to increase lift on the cheap? V10 (truck) rockers are 1.7 and are a direct bolt on!
Now THATS handy to know!
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: SLOW67]
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05/06/10 06:01 PM
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Burlington,Ont.
77DragracerR/T
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A 360 i ran for a number of years had KB107 pistons,stock balanced rods,stock crank,"0" deck,ported 596 heads with 2.02's,Scott Brown 240/252H cam, Air Gap intake with 750hp carb and TTI headers ran 11.53 @ 115. in a 3450# car/driver
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: SLOW67]
#689434
05/06/10 08:25 PM
05/06/10 08:25 PM
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Between a rock & a hard place
cudadoug
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So I would be able to run a .508 cam with no machine work to the heads? If I can do that I'll just stick with the magnums. I have a buddy that has a set of stockers for $100...
Yes, but you'd have to trim the guides. Although it's been published at .530 max lift, I'd use .520 for an extra margin of safety.
Rock Auto will sell you BRAND NEW stock rockers for less than $11.00 per PAIR, with the trunon (sp?) stands and bolts = less than $88 for all 16. Check it out.
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: dOoC]
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05/06/10 09:03 PM
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Easton, PA
68DART360
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I second Patrick's combo. The only thing that I had any different was an Edelbrock Performer Rpm cam and went 12.0 @ 114.
What did the car weigh? .. converter, gear?
3250, 3000 stall converter, 3.91 with 28X9 slicks
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: SLOW67]
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05/07/10 11:28 AM
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NJ
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My 360 started as a .040 over Napa rebuilt short block. I took it apart to check everything. I had the block decked (deck .015 head, 63cc., gasket .028, compression 10.51)reversed the cast dished pistons on the rods and put in good rod bolts and had the rods resized. I put in an old Manley cam that I had. 443 lift [Email]224@.050[/Email] I don't remember the lobe seperation but I think it was around 108. I used J heads pocket ported with 2.02 int. valves and 273 adj. rockers an LD340 intake with a 1" 4 hole spacer and a Vac. 750. For exhaust I used heddmen 1 5/8" headers, 3" exhaust with ultra flows ending at the axel. I used a 904 with a Dayco 2,400 stall converter and an 8 3/4 with 3.91's the slicks were 8"x 26"x 14". Suspension consisted of 6yl. bars and comp. eng. adj. shocks in the front and 002/003 superstock springs with Mopar perf. 50/50 xtra long shock in the rear. The car was a 70 Valiant 4 door it weighed 3,320 with me in it. With an electric water pump drive, 5/16" fuel line with holley mech. fuel pump and a homemade fresh air intake (dryer hose and a dual snorkle air cleaner)the best run was 11.96/113 but it typically went 0's and teen's in decent air at Atco and E-Town. Typical 60'was low 1.70's
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: JCCuda]
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05/07/10 11:55 AM
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new jersey usa
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My 360 combo: Mopar crate short block 30 over, redone with M/P steel crank, Scat rods, JE Sportsman pistons, 11.2 to 1 comp,M/P 590 lift mech.cam, 312/312,104,106. 56cc W2 heads, Victor W2 intake, AED 750 hp carb, 1 7/8 Tub. Auto. Headers, Flowmaster 40 muffs. 4,700 stall 8 inch Ultimate convertor,904 reverse pattern manual valve body, Braced 8 3/4 4.88 gears on Hoosier Radial slicks, 3150 lbs ( w/driver) 68 Dart on S/S springs best E.T. 10.40 at 126 1.40 60 ft, average with Cal Tracs and 4.56 gears on 10.5 x 29.5 bias slicks 10.50-60s at 124 mid 1.40 60fts. Car now ran with mech. throttle stop to go 11.50s at 114 60fts low to mid 1.50s on Hoosier QTPs.
68 Dart 410 / 904
92 D150 original owner
21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4
23 Audi Q5
16 Honda HRV
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Re: Budget 360?
[Re: 11secdart]
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05/07/10 12:07 PM
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new jersey usa
11secdart
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Good combo JC put a better converter in and the ETs will really drop. Years ago I had an old 318 in my car while my 340 was being freshened, nothing special just 360 heads it ran 13.20s with 3.91s and a junk 10 inch converter, I put in one of my T/A 8 inchers and started going 12.70s. BTW my old backup motor before I broke it: 30 over 340, 9 to 1 comp with ported J heads and 557 lift M/P cam went 11.30s in my combo.
68 Dart 410 / 904
92 D150 original owner
21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4
23 Audi Q5
16 Honda HRV
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