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Re: Tear down has begun [Re: emarine01] #688170
05/05/10 09:10 PM
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I did'nt mean to point figers as to whos the blame. We all learn from each others mistakes, it sounds like your sponsors will pick up some of the costs, Bill, so thats good.
hope you can get back racing soon.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: B1Fish540] #688171
05/05/10 09:29 PM
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I probably should try to get into the habit of playing that fuel pump game. Sounds like it could at least be one way to advoid a disatser.

Chester, I realize you weren't trying to point fingers.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688172
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so you are giving in to the fuel pump theory.i guess sometime you just gotta move on.in the mean time you can have fun with the familys stuff.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688173
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youll get back together in notime
i can tell ya couple horor stories that happened to me
sometimes its just bad luck

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688174
05/05/10 09:39 PM
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It's the only thing that makes sense Mike

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688175
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that is ok Bill.i dont want to drive you crazy because i want to think about it.now where was i.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688176
05/05/10 09:50 PM
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That sucks Bill I seen a a few mention 7700 rpm's..Did the engine really see that kind of rpm? Was that with a flat tappet cam and RPM heads? How the heck did you even manage to get it to rev that high?
Also look closely at those pistons, those pistons are using a generic valve relief, meaning there is no right or left piston you normally see on some other race type pistons....
I have found these pistons on a near zero deck limits cam lift below .650...of coarse many things come into play. But if the engine did spin that hard, even with the best valve springs ment for a flat tappet they wont control the valve that well at those rpm's your probably well under 400 lbs over the nose for open pressure...
To turn a roller that high you would need double of that pressure. Of coarse this isnt a good comparo but...
Hope every thing works out


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Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Bob_Coomer] #688177
05/05/10 09:55 PM
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I seen a a few mention 7700 rpm's..Did the engine really see that kind of rpm? Was that with a flat tappet cam and RPM heads? How the heck did you even manage to get it to rev that high?






Unfortuantly, yes. It did get aleast that high How, too loose of a conv.

And yes it's a flat tappet cam and RPM heads.


Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688178
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bill i dont know you but i did follow your build some even though im a small block guy but keep your head up and seems like your in good hands with scott and it will be well worth the wait, it always is....good luck with whatever you do

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688179
05/06/10 12:04 AM
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OH MY BILL! OUCH, ouch, OUCH. I am sick to my stomach, what a mess. I hope you get everything back together soon.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: SmokeyBurnout 67] #688180
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Soooo sorry about your motor. I have been folowing your build too...I hope you get it back together soon. Best of luck when you get it rebuilt.


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Re: Tear down has begun [Re: MR_P_BODY] #688181
05/06/10 12:05 PM
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Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?





But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve?

Chris..




Yes but you would think the heavier valve would have
been floating easier and most likely sooner.... I
dont know how close the valves were and I dont recall
where the cam was put in at (that would tell which
valve was closer)




The intake Valves probably did float. But remember the intake floats when the piston is at the bottom of its stroke, while the exhaust valve float occurs when the piston is at the top of the cylinder. That would explain why only the exhaust valves marked. If the intake valves had marked, I would suspect something other than valve float.
Jerry


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Re: Tear down has begun [Re: moparniac] #688182
05/06/10 12:15 PM
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Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM..
looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,,




Kaleno block... i dont understand using no studs though




That is not a koleno block , it's a stock block , koleno should be crossbolted and the main caps have pentastars on them .

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: JohnRR] #688183
05/06/10 01:57 PM
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He might have confused my build with Mikes (metal storm) build. Mike is using the KP block. Mine is a factory 72 block.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: SCATPACK 1] #688184
05/06/10 03:49 PM
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The intake Valves probably did float. But remember the intake floats when the piston is at the bottom of its stroke, while the exhaust valve float occurs when the piston is at the top of the cylinder. That would explain why only the exhaust valves marked. If the intake valves had marked, I would suspect something other than valve float.
Jerry




True.... the piston is on the way down when the intake is open...
the intake is chasing the piston while the piston is
chasing the exhaust valve

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: MR_P_BODY] #688185
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How much preload on the lifter? , maybe too much & the lifter pumped up when it left the lobe.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688186
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I THOUGHT IT WAS A SOLID CAM?

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Moparnut426] #688187
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I THOUGHT IT WAS A SOLID CAM?



it is a solid.
if we cant resolve his issues faster than this it will be running again before he knows anything.
is the crank sent for grinding?
is scott doing anything to the engine at this point?

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Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688188
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How much preload on the lifter? , maybe too much & the lifter pumped up when it left the lobe.


a hydraulic turning 7700?

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: tjmarcus1] #688189
05/06/10 06:56 PM
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Ah , so it's a solid then.

Not unheard of turniing a hyd 7500 with the correct springs & preload.


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