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Tear down has begun #688110
05/04/10 01:15 PM
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Kinda found what we all expected when te pan came down



I really didn't think the rod would look this bad though



Glitter every where



Looks like I also floated the valves a lttle while the motor was spinning past where we wanted to take it




They didn't all hit at least




Does look like that piston did kiss the head though




So far we don't think either are hurt but we will have to look closer once everything is clean and apart.

I will say Scott is taking this a lot better than I am.


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dam Bill, sorry to hear this!

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688112
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That sucks Bill

Hopefully it's not too bad and you don't have any bent valves. My 340 hit had a couple valves hit on a missed shift but never bent them.

The rods on the other hand might be toast


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Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688113
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Bummer Bill but its about what you were guessing,
hopefully its not too bad... that rod sure is blue

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That does blow, ive sorta been reading the prior posts.

Myself being a rookie builder and always trying to learn more, Im asking this in a respectful learning type of way, why does it look like multiple things went wrong?

I dont see how the bad rod would factor in with the valve float, pistons hitting the head on more then one hole.

I run approx .037 quench on my small block strokers and in some ways expect to see some signs of running so tight next time its apart.

So what went wrong here overall.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688115
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i am home with a sick grand kid.now this is making me feel sorry to see all this.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688116
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Bill, are the psions with valve conatct the same ones that spun and ate the bearings? If so that may be where the extra clearances came from for the piston to hit the valves. If not it is time to check all of the valve to piston clearances when you put it back together. I have seen as much as .130 differences at the retainer when checking rocker arms for lift on the same lobes of the cam Now, if you can figure out why it ate those bearings it will not be a total loss. I always worry about something going wrong on all of my new motors , hopefully all of your next ones will be trouble free


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is that rod with the piston that touched the head ?


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Quote:

is that rod with the piston that touched the head ?




Thats part of my reasoning for asking as well....it sucks a bad rod bearing could cause so many issues.

Ive had an oem rod that blue in a 383 but it locked up the motor going down the interstate. That would really suck on the track.

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Bill, looks like you had multiple problems, the bearing going south started the #3 piston to hit the head im sure. The valves toutching the pistons could be rockers, cam lift or a thinner head gasket then what was used when testing. Looks like more care will be needed checking the clearances this next time around. I hope you find all the problems that made this mess for you and get them straightend out so you can have some trouble free passes with even a better New best...Best of luck to you....Phill

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Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688121
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Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: MR_P_BODY] #688122
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Let me see if I can answer everyones Question

We think it may have started when I first tried to fire the motor in the car and unknowingly had a needle and seat sticking open. Didn't notice that untill I saw a puddle of alky come out of the header. Thought we caught it in time and didn't hydro the motor but now it's looking like that might have caused the bearing failure which just got worse as I made the few passes I did make.

The valve float we can only atribute to the loose conv allow the motor to spin higher than we ever wanted. The piston with the missing rod bearing did contact the head but not bad and it was not one of the ones with a wittnes mark from a valve. The springs are not new and are the same ones supplied with the heads when I bought them in 2006.

Also looks like a little bearing matterial imbeeded in the cam lobes



One of the cam bearing tried to come off with the cam.



Hopefully I didn't hurt the crank to much




Full pic of the rod with the failed bearing.



Thankfuly we had a very good rod in it as I don't see how a stock rod would not have let go under these circumstances.

Thanks KI Technologies

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Quote:

Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?






But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve?


Chris..

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Aww...Bill...That really sucks!! You and Scott put your hearts into that thing...I sure wish ya the best of luck!! Ted


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Too bad Bill, hope you get it fixed up and back on track!

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how does the cam look where thr bearing was stuck to it?
i expected the crank to be burned also.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688127
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So you're gonna have it goin' putt-putt and at the track by Sunday, RIGHT?

Sorry for the misfortune but at least you didn't dump oil and get hurt.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #688128
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Quote:

Quote:

Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?






But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve?


Chris..




Yes but you would think the heavier valve would have
been floating easier and most likely sooner.... I
dont know how close the valves were and I dont recall
where the cam was put in at (that would tell which
valve was closer)

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688129
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hey bill sorry for all of this
i was really hopping for the best
just a opinon of mine
blue of any sort is heat!
on a crank comes from lack of oiling
just like the bearing on the cam
so much 'trash' metal trying to go thru and cant
do you run a line off the pump to back of the motor (where the pressure gage goes)??
old ss stock trick
ask scott if he thinks that cavitation of the oil pump might be another issue ???
but the bright side is it didnt kill the block
all the rods stayed in

anyhow bill i will be the first to make a donation to help you out
just give me address to send
it to and i will

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