Re: Ongoing battle with Vapor Lock
[Re: ahy]
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04/30/10 09:05 PM
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Most gas around now is cut with 10% alcohol. The downsides of this are: fuel mileage is worse than straight gas, prices don't seem to be any cheaper, and alcohol boils easier than straight gas (hence easier vapor lock). So try and shop around and stay away from E-10. I'm fighting the same problem on my 360. I'm going to look into rigging some kind of heat shield between the fuel pump and the exhaust manifold to reduce the temperature of the pump.
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Re: Ongoing battle with Vapor Lock
[Re: NITROUSN]
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04/30/10 10:21 PM
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I doubt its vapor lock.
I had similiar problem, replaced fuel pump and it cleared up.
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Re: Ongoing battle with Vapor Lock
[Re: Cudajon]
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04/30/10 11:19 PM
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reroute the fuel lines may help.
My set up is elsctric, but as an example... I have my supply line to the regulator run outside the frame, throught the wheel well, to the regualtor, then braided line directly across from the regulator to the carb.(stock line from tank is inside the frame, and ends up right next to the headers if you are running them)
Wrapping the stock lines, that run behind the alternator, against the head, won't help you much to reduce transfer either.
Run the outlet line from the pump back out to the the inner fender away from the engine, up the inner fender and across to the motor up higher, above the valve cover.
The mechanical pump is one of the biggest issues here. It directly transfers engine heat to the fuel. Once you stop, and it get's hot, it is very difficult to cool it down.
I suppose you could try to go old school and install a cool can too. They did work.
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Re: Ongoing battle with Vapor Lock
[Re: 69dart]
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05/01/10 12:40 AM
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and the carb is bone dry.
As in no squirt from the AP at that point in time? Is the heat riser functioning? Might hook a can of gas in the eng compartment to the pump inlet for 1 day. I run E10 in a stock 318 eddy 1406 600 w no issues but it runs cool. If no squirt something is heating up the intake/carb or the fuel delivery is being interrupted & w NO part/fuel etc changes & it just developing out of the clear blue sky I'd hookup a small gas can to the pump inlet 1st. EDIT if you have a good squirt check the coil wire held 1/4" from a ground for spark ASAP right when it acts up to check the electrical
Last edited by RapidRobert; 05/01/10 12:57 AM.
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Re: Ongoing battle with Vapor Lock
[Re: 69dart]
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05/01/10 05:14 AM
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I had the same problem on an 83 Fifth Ave about 10 years ago. I read somewhere at that time that running the stock style fuel pump (or an electric pump near the engine), pulling gas from the tank, causes the gas in the line between the tank and the pump to be under lower pressure since it's being sucked to the engine. This will create a sort of vacuum situation in the line, and promote vapor lock. They recomended installing an electric pump near the tank so that you are pressurizing the line, and then any bubbles or boiling in the line will be forced on through to the carb. The carb can handle the bubbles - they just go out the vent, so as long as you have more fuel being forced into the carb behind the bubbles, you are fine. Also, fuel under pressure has a higher boiling point (the more you increase the pressure of a liquid, the higher the boiling point), so that will also help reduce any vapor lock. I installed an electric pump about 12 inches from my fuel tank, and never had a probelm again.
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Re: Ongoing battle with Vapor Lock
[Re: 69dart]
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05/01/10 09:13 AM
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You need to install a fuel pressure guage before the carb to help see what's going on. Check any hoses in the fuel line from tank to carb especially the short hose coming off the tank. A small crack in a hose can suck air but not leak fuel.
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Re: Ongoing battle with Vapor Lock
[Re: MY340]
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05/01/10 10:28 AM
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