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Overheating #669734 04/14/10 04:18 PM 04/14/10 04:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	I took the car too school on Monday and by the time i got home the car was overheating (5 miles tops) A friend took the car to the gas station for cigarettes and i got a call saying it broke down in front of the neighborhood so i skateboarded my high tailing ass down there to find that the coolant was boiling and the gauge read at 3/4s. He said the car ran out of gas and shut off, he heard back firing at the light near the gas station about 1/2 mile from my house. Does the back firing relate to low amount of gas? There seems to be no fuel in the filter tube but maybe because of the incline in my driveway where it is sitting. I know the overheating didn't shut off the car because last week it overheated in the drive way overflowing everywhere and killing the radiator fans and still did not shut down. but i still could be wrong. Is overheating a common issue? i saw a thread related to over flow tanks are they necessary or just a good idea if you are having issues? I know my water pump is working because after it overheated the first time i checked that out but over looked the thermostat. im running water in it now, what coolant would yall recommend to use from the part shop after a flush? I'm trying to get numerical gauges run but im so confused. Any other ideas to why it could have shut down if not a fuel shortage? I know my threads are a little hectic but any help is greatly appreciated, thank you.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669735 04/14/10 04:30 PM 04/14/10 04:30 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	I'd take the stat out & fill it w water only & see if that takes care of it. The slow warmup from no stat and no corrosion resistance from no antifreeze neither of these 2 omissions will hurt you for one day. then if that's it get a stant 180 stat and good ole green antifreeze (diff opinions on AF but green stuff works for me) & button her up and adding coolant till you reach the stat housing then putting on the stat will help w air pockets live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Overheating [Re: RapidRobert] #669736 04/14/10 04:41 PM 04/14/10 04:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Quote: The slow warmup from no stat and no corrosion resistance from no antifreeze neither of these 2 omissions will hurt you for one day. I may have made a big boo boo then, wehn it overflowed last week i believe it had antifreeze in it and i topped it off with water after the overspill. Can that affect the internals of the engine case?

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669737 04/14/10 04:45 PM 04/14/10 04:45 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	you're good there. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Overheating [Re: RapidRobert] #669738 04/14/10 04:51 PM 04/14/10 04:51 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	running out of gas it goes lean and can back fire did you get gas in it and get ti running again yet?? might want to check and see if it jumped time if it wont run now is that the car in your sig?? nice

Re: Overheating [Re: RapidRobert] #669739 04/14/10 04:51 PM 04/14/10 04:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	yikes, my fuel gauge went out when i put in the radio but i cant seem to find anything wrong with the lines with out taking the dash off. My sis was in the car when it shut down, is there anything that could account for the car shutting down like that?

Re: Overheating [Re: scratchnfotraction] #669740 04/14/10 05:04 PM 04/14/10 05:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Quote: running out of gas it goes lean and can back fire did you get gas in it and get ti running again yet?? might want to check and see if it jumped time if it wont run now is that the car in your sig?? nice unfortunately after i pushed it to my house my sister left the keys in the ignition with the car on and killed the brand spankin new battery. I'm waiting fro my mom to come home so we can drag a few tanks to the gas station and hopefully jump it right up. Will i be able to hear the timing if it changed at all? yah thats her picked it up from a guy in Orlando off craigslist for 1300 sweet deal up until Monday. i had known about the carb issues prior to purchasing and the turn signals were just something i thought i'd have some fun with. Trying to find some OE seats but not too many late models around with a console, after i get my grants it's off to the paint shop she goes, trying to get everything situated until then.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669741 04/15/10 10:36 AM 04/15/10 10:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Well it seems the water pump is shot, i guess last time i checked was not actually flowing but instead boiling! I should probably cut the and relax on the . What water pump would you suggest for my application? looking at the milodon or the GMB both high volume only 10 dollar differnce but is it a brand name factor?

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669742 04/15/10 10:41 AM 04/15/10 10:41 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	What eng? stock or built? easily driven daily driver or a bit of spirited driving ? live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Overheating [Re: RapidRobert] #669743 04/15/10 11:02 AM 04/15/10 11:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	we'll off the back i'd say spirited so i think high volume would be a good idea. although if i could figure out how to drive "easily" i'd be glad too lol. orig. 318 with a 2-212-20 cam and 600cfm eddy. Now, i drove up to hodge shop for a drink but when i got back to check the radiator, i used a string and dropped it in, then controlled it with a glass of water. when i dropped it in the radiator the string sunk and didn't necessarily move, however when i dropped it in the glass it just layed on the surface. the fluid level was just below the over spill reservoir so i couldn't tell if it was flowing for me. so may the sunken string mean the water pump is indeed working and its only the thermostat. anyone want to try the same experiment?

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669744 04/15/10 01:20 PM 04/15/10 01:20 PM
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j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	its like a 5 sec experiment i didnt go anywhere before i did it. take the radiator cap off before you turn the car on, after you did that, drop a string down the rabbit hole, make sure you hold on we don't want alice to get lost again. and if it moves or is getting pulled in then my water pump is broken. thanks fellas. sorry for the double post im poor and if i can waste your bandwith instead of my money by golly i will.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669745 04/15/10 01:54 PM 04/15/10 01:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Is it leaking water on the ground?

Re: Overheating [Re: Challenger 1] #669746 04/15/10 02:14 PM 04/15/10 02:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	Any stock pump should be plenty good for your application. I'm running a stock pump on a 408 stroker that I race with no heat problems.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669747 04/15/10 02:33 PM 04/15/10 02:33 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 173 Milano, Italia FK5 member
FK5 member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 173 Milano, Italia	If you overheated the car, change the oil. Especially if it shut down.

Re: Overheating [Re: Challenger 1] #669748 04/15/10 02:33 PM 04/15/10 02:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	no but that would account for the mystery wouldn't it the engine shut down cause of low gas started right back up with a jump and some pump juice Last edited by j3wbagell; 04/15/10 02:45 PM.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669749 04/15/10 05:19 PM 04/15/10 05:19 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	sounds like you be hangin with the "OLDMAN" best to check after sitting over night fill to cold full level,start engine and run at idle for 15 mins or so when it good and warm..t-stat open you will see the water move/flow I use the HD stock 8 vane wp with the 5/8 shaft and large bearings they are on the HD cooling package for cop engines it will have ribs in stead of the gun holes alog the shaft housing it should have the recovery tank hooked up and the rad cap should have the valve it will push coolent out of the rad and the recover it as it cools down by a vac type system this is normal as long as it sealed and working properly and not pizz on the ground the pumps have a weep hole on the lower side of the shaft that will lleak water also causing a low rad and over heat problem

Re: Overheating [Re: scratchnfotraction] #669750 04/16/10 12:51 PM 04/16/10 12:51 PM
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j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Quote: fill to cold full level,start engine and run at idle for 15 mins or so when it good and warm..t-stat open you will see the water move/flow there seemed to be no movement just some chemical eyes floating around. I guess i should replace the tstat just to be cautionary aswell. What t-stat/water pump combo is good idea if i currently don't have a radiator fan,no clue the current radiator size. i keep reading stant of milodon just trying to keep budget and stay cool.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669751 04/16/10 02:15 PM 04/16/10 02:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	Are you saying you don't have a fan on the front of the motor? Stock water pump and at least a 190* stat.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669752 04/16/10 04:18 PM 04/16/10 04:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476 G gtx69 super gas
gtx69 super gas G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476

Re: Overheating [Re: gtx69] #669753 04/16/10 04:36 PM 04/16/10 04:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	I assume my power steering assembly is the reason there is no fan connected to the front of my block. I have a multi belt system and if there were a fan there it would only get in the way. However, i have a dual fan setup attached to the radiator which shorted out during the original overheat when it spilled all over my driveway. assuming the current wiring for the fan is correct all i need for the radiator fans to run again may be... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HDA-3653/

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669754 04/16/10 04:44 PM 04/16/10 04:44 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: I assume my power steering assembly is the reason there is no fan connected to the front of my block. I have a multi belt system and if there were a fan there it would only get in the way. However, i have a dual fan setup attached to the radiator which shorted out during the original overheat when it spilled all over my driveway. assuming the current wiring for the fan is correct all i need for the radiator fans to run again may be... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HDA-3653/ Oh my, good luck. Advise...wire the fans to be on all the time to begin with until you sort out the cooling system. Then maybe spend the money on a controller if you can get the pusher fans to cool the engine. Like I said, good luck. Last edited by Challenger 1; 04/16/10 04:47 PM.

Re: Overheating [Re: Challenger 1] #669755 04/16/10 04:49 PM 04/16/10 04:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	Power steering would not be a reason not to have a fan on the motor. The fan would stick into the shroud to where it would only be an couple of inches away from the radiator which would put it way out in front of the power steering. bThere will be either a clutch on the fan or a spacer between it and the pulley ythat will move it forward away from the belts.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669756 04/16/10 04:50 PM 04/16/10 04:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476 G gtx69 super gas
gtx69 super gas G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476	Can you post a picture of your pulley setup.I'm just wondering what type of setup you have that a stock fan wouldn't work or power steering.When the car overheated it shouldn't have shorted out unless it wasn't wired right.

Re: Overheating [Re: gtx69] #669757 04/16/10 05:12 PM 04/16/10 05:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	my camera takes fairly large photos, i've uploaded them into an album on photobucket you can view it HERE. EDIT: if you are looking at the wiring, the blue wire gets tunneled into the green wire on the fan housing assembly and i think that metal thing is supposed to be a temperature probe but its just mounted onto the radiator with the c clamp looking thing that is insulated with foam in the picture on summit Last edited by j3wbagell; 04/16/10 05:23 PM.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669758 04/16/10 05:21 PM 04/16/10 05:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	There is no reason you can't get rid of those electric fans and install a factory clutch fan back on that engine.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669759 04/16/10 05:35 PM 04/16/10 05:35 PM
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j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	this may be true however at this time being a 19 yr old college student relying on the government and prepaid college terms, i am trying to minimize my budget to the smallest degree so if i can fix the current fan system i presume i will be happy. Is there really an improvement between a clutch fan and an electrical fan? so far my bill runs me to a new water pump and thermostat. adding a clutch and fan may break teh bank plus i dont even know what else i would need. Last edited by j3wbagell; 04/16/10 05:38 PM.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669760 04/16/10 05:41 PM 04/16/10 05:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	A lot. Most of the cheap electrics won't cool an engine. It takes a good strong fan set up to do it. Is the water pump leaking? Start with a new thermostat and get the fans blowing. Then see what you have. You may not need a wterpump. If $30 for a water pump and thermostat blows your budget then your are in trouble to begin with.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669761 04/16/10 09:43 PM 04/16/10 09:43 PM
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j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	where can i find a water pump for 30 dollars? I have to hang the exhaust with new piping and tips, i saw an oe replacement on summit for 60 bucks but i never explored the links on the main page.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669762 04/16/10 09:49 PM 04/16/10 09:49 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	I offerd to help you before,you are close by i understand the 19 and no $ in the budget i have a good WP you can have and may have a good clutch fan as well even have pulleys if you need them that car just needs a little mopar help

Re: Overheating [Re: scratchnfotraction] #669763 04/16/10 10:08 PM 04/16/10 10:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	You can get the thermostat and water pump at any local parts store. Why are you looking at the high priced stuff at summit? You don't have a race car. Most every thing you will need for that car can be purchased at the local parts store.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669764 04/16/10 10:23 PM 04/16/10 10:23 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 303 Staten Island, NY R RO23dave enthusiast
RO23dave enthusiast R Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 303 Staten Island, NY	I would think that if you're going to change the water pump, while you're in there check the timing chain. i'm wondering if the backfiring and overheating maybe chain related. do the chain stretch test, where you rock the crank back and forth while watching the movement of the distributor rotor. you'll have the water pump off so shouldn't be too much more trouble to check the alignment of the chain. my dave

Re: Overheating [Re: RO23dave] #669765 04/16/10 11:41 PM 04/16/10 11:41 PM
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gtx69 super gas G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476	Change water pump and themostat and get fan working or change to clutch fan and shourd d

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669766 04/18/10 12:18 PM 04/18/10 12:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Quote: You can get the thermostat and water pump at any local parts store. Why are you looking at the high priced stuff at summit? You don't have a race car. Most every thing you will need for that car can be purchased at the local parts store. i truly didn't know the line between what auto zone would and wouldn't carry. Regardless they have to special order the WP and is just about the same price as summit. Are the belt lengths written on them? I have some fraying and this is as good a time as any to replace them. Scratchin i'll shoot you a pm.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669767 04/18/10 12:31 PM 04/18/10 12:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	Shop around online. O'Reilly's sells and stocks the water pump you need for less than $25.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669768 04/18/10 01:17 PM 04/18/10 01:17 PM
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express enthusiast E Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 314 North East Missouri	Unless the water pump is leaking I'll bet money it's not bad. I have never seen a water pump rust the impellers off. CHANGE THE THERMOSTAT FIRST! This is a cheap fix. If the stat is stuck, the water pump is not circulating water to the radiator. cny25421@centurytel.net 70 Duster Turbo Charged 79 Lil Red Express Bonded Locksmith

Re: Overheating [Re: express] #669769 04/18/10 01:40 PM 04/18/10 01:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Unless the water pump is leaking I'll bet money it's not bad. I have never seen a water pump rust the impellers off. CHANGE THE THERMOSTAT FIRST! This is a cheap fix. If the stat is stuck, the water pump is not circulating water to the radiator. He never said if it was leaking or not, probally never looked close enough to know. If it ain't leaking, it's working. lol Like you said. Too bad our government won't fix our cars yet.

Re: Overheating [Re: Challenger 1] #669770 04/18/10 07:35 PM 04/18/10 07:35 PM
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j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Quote: Quote: Unless the water pump is leaking I'll bet money it's not bad. I have never seen a water pump rust the impellers off. CHANGE THE THERMOSTAT FIRST! This is a cheap fix. If the stat is stuck, the water pump is not circulating water to the radiator. He never said if it was leaking or not, probally never looked close enough to know. If it ain't leaking, it's working. lol Like you said. Too bad our government won't fix our cars yet. i did say it was not leaking, i don't knwo the mechanics of a WP running to the auto shop now 180 stat? they have economy or superstat does it matter it's a 5 dollar difference?

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669771 04/18/10 07:41 PM 04/18/10 07:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	A stant brand thermostat is a good one. And I would get at least a 190* to get the engine up to optimum running temp. Any cooler than that and you are creating engine wear and poor combustion properties. A 190* stat is wide open at that temp and won't cause your enigne to overheat.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669772 04/18/10 10:55 PM 04/18/10 10:55 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,214 Someplace you aren't S SomeCarGuy I Live Here
SomeCarGuy I Live Here S Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,214 Someplace you aren't	190 stat Slant is good, Robertshaw used to be a nice piece, had bid slots to let lots of flow happen. You need an engine driven fan. Will save you a ton of heart aches. Take Sracthin up on his offer I want my fair share

Re: Overheating [Re: SomeCarGuy] #669773 05/29/10 08:19 PM 05/29/10 08:19 PM
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j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Alright 195 stat in place eddy carb running fine slight hissing, but STILL OVERHEATING. The fans are not yet functional but I only have water running through the block. I start to see steam coming from the radiator at about 5 mins of idle is the 195 to high of a stat or should regular coolant do the trick?

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669774 05/29/10 09:38 PM 05/29/10 09:38 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	you have to burp the air out and add more coolant to the rad to get it full the first time its filled after the pump has been off then with it full and some water in the recov tank let it idle,with the cap on and tight, till the temp comes up... see if it goes much higher than the 190* of the stat it may steading climb with no fans,so let it get about 210* and shut it down as long as its not boiling over,its working correctly pushing water out of rad into the recov tank when hot sucking it back into the rad as it cools back down cap has to stay on and closed..also has to be vented..so check that you have the right cap also you will know if its boiling over when its filled the recov tank and is pushing water out of it 210* in Fl summer heat is the norm on most of mine but drops down to the 190* with air flow

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669775 05/30/10 12:19 PM 05/30/10 12:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 314 North East Missouri E express enthusiast
express enthusiast E Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 314 North East Missouri	How hot is it? It may have air it like he said. cny25421@centurytel.net 70 Duster Turbo Charged 79 Lil Red Express Bonded Locksmith

Re: Overheating [Re: scratchnfotraction] #669776 05/30/10 03:47 PM 05/30/10 03:47 PM
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DAMOPARS master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,978 VA	Quote: I offerd to help you before,you are close by i understand the 19 and no $ in the budget i have a good WP you can have and may have a good clutch fan as well even have pulleys if you need them that car just needs a little mopar help Now that a great deal Call the man

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