good sticky 15" tires?
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Hi,
I am looking for a new set of tires for my cough... 79 Firebird... cough. The car is putting around 400 hp at the wheels. For several reasons I cannot leave 15". I want this thing to handle and brake as good as possible
-15"
-235 to 255 wide (needs to go on a 15x8" wheel)
-aspect ratio between 50 and 60
-needs to be street legal
-speed rating at least H, better V
-Very important is dry and wet BRAKING and HANDLING.
-I do not care AT ALL about snow or "M&S" rating, I am looking for a summer tire
-I do not care AT ALL about wear. If the tires are shot after 10000 or 15000 mls that is totally fine.
Is there anything like that around? The closest I could find were Yokohama Y352, but I cannot find anyone in the US who can sell me some of those.
Firestone Firehawk Indy500 seems to be OK (read other post), but they only have an "S" rating. This car will very likely end up on the Autobahn by the end of this year. Any ideas?
I am Ok with paying some extra for extra wishes.
Greets
Flo
Last edited by Flo; 04/20/10 07:45 AM.
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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Hoosier stopped their street tire line unfortunately...
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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I had 275/50R15 all the way around on the 15 x 8 Snow flakes back in the day when I used to autocross the car but, like the others mention there is not the selection there used to be.
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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Last edited by patrick; 04/15/10 08:47 AM.
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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The Pirelli actually seems to be a very good fit. A little smaller than I would like and not exactly cheap but far better than anything else I found yet!
Any one here driving BF Goodrich Drag radials on the street? I have no idea how stiff the side walls are on thse, I would think they are fairly flexible and so are unsuited to what I want?
Thanks
Flo
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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I think BFG drag radials are a bad idea for any street driving beyond going to the track and back, and the RWD tires might not even be designed as a steer tire. The dedicated FWD sizes probably have a design modifiedfor steering. I'm not a tire expert, but I can't see how a tire designed as a street-legal/drag-race compromise would be anything other than dangerous for Autobahn work.  Especially if it rained. 
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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The Pirelli actually seems to be a very good fit. A little smaller than I would like and not exactly cheap but far better than anything else I found yet!
Any one here driving BF Goodrich Drag radials on the street? I have no idea how stiff the side walls are on thse, I would think they are fairly flexible and so are unsuited to what I want?
Thanks
Flo
if you were looking at those, I'd go hoosier A6 or R6 first, but I wouldn't want to be caught in the rain...
reasonable cost, I think the 225/70 RSA's will be your best bet height wise.
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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well, I read it, but some of these tires (for example the Nittos) are not available anymore in 15".
Currently I am unsure if either the AVON CR6 ZZ or the Pirelli P 600 are my best bet. the Avon comes in 10mm wider (245 over 235), which may be negligable.
Several questions remain:
-Are the Avons race tires which need plenty of warm up before they grip? Or will they perform well under street conditions?
-the Hoosier A6 are almost a slick. Anyone run them in the rain?
-is there a Mickey T which would make a good handling street tire? I am Ok with just 10k mls thread life, but whicha re fine for cornering and braking without warming up?
Greets
Flo
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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-is there a Mickey T which would make a good handling street tire? I am Ok with just 10k mls thread life, but whicha re fine for cornering and braking without warming up?
Greets
Flo
I think the only MT tire that might be any decent for you is their sportsman s/r. But I'm just going to guess and say they're geared more toward straightline performance than curves, but their tread design looks decent.
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Re: good sticky 15" tires?
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Dunno about Pirelli's myself. I had a set of PZero's come apart on my during a high speed run in the desert in 87, been gun shy of them since. Kinda scary going backwards at 70+ and trying to steer it away from the shoulder.
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Re: good sticky road street 15" tires?
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I think the only MT tire that might be any decent for you is their sportsman s/r. But I'm just going to guess and say they're geared more toward straightline performance than curves, but their tread design looks decent.
Nah, the S/R is designed for corners, unlike their ETs which are best for straight line. They also make the S/T series, which is comparable to BFG TA, S or T rated with small block white letters and an all weather tread.
Don't forget there is also the Mickey Thompson I series which is a 4 ply sidewall and tread face based on early 70s road race tires. They are only available at Summit these days and only come in alpha-numeric sizes, so you'll have to figure out what an L60 and N50 are.
Flo, if what you want is a tire that grips without any warm up, then your going to limit yourself to the A6. Any other tire is going to need a little bit of heat to make things sticky. How much grip do you think you need on a cold tire?
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Time to switch to 17's for the Autobahn run. 
I run 18" wheels though but they do come in 15" and they sell them by size based on Outside Diameter x Tread Width x Rim Diameter so it is easy to select the size you want 26" tall or 28" tall and 8" or 10" wide to fit an 15 x 8" rim. Good luck!