VIN Rivets, fender tag, and body stamps
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I think I already know this answer but any chance they used round rivets for the VIN tag in my 68 RR? I started my restoration in earnest this past weekend and once I got the glass out and pulled the dash, I noticed the rivets on the VIN plate were round. One even has a piece of the pin stuck in it. They appear to be tarnished and have definately been there a while, but I was surprised to see they were not the hex shaped ones. They also look surprisingly similar to the rivets used on all the expert body work I've found on the car. The VIN tag matches the car and the fender tag matches all the options. I have been all over the radiator support and trunk gutters and can't find any stamps at all and they appear to be original parts. Any help on locating these? Also, my motor is not original, but I think I have the original 4spd? Should the stamp on the trans match the last #s in the VIN? And if I find body stamps, these will match the SO# on the fender tag? Any other way I can verify the VIN? I think I know what happened but just want to be sure. The car was 'restored' some time back in what looks like the early 80s. The front corner of the winshield leaked and rusted. The top of the dash has about an inch strip cut out close to the tag and there was a bucket of bondo in there to 'repair' it. I suspect (hope) they may have pulled the VIN tag to do the repair then just popped it back on. I bought it with a title and got a new one in my name about 5+ years ago. Anything to worry about here? Should I go to the step of registering it while I restore? I think I'll make some appropriate rivets to avoid any questions anyway. Any help finding identifying marks would be appreciated. Thanks, Matt
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2010 Ram 1500 Laramie
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Re: VIN Rivets, fender tag, and body stamps
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Should the stamp on the trans match the last #s in the VIN?
The only reason to do that would be to deceive someone else into thinking the car had the original trans, so no, you shouldn't.
The way I read the post, he didn't say he was going to stamp the trans to match, he asked if the numbers on what he thinks is the original trans should match the VIN.
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Re: VIN Rivets, fender tag, and body stamps
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That's the way you read it. I read it differently...and incorrectly, apparently. The last 6 on the trans should match the last 6 on the VIN tag, right?
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Re: VIN Rivets, fender tag, and body stamps
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Re: VIN Rivets, fender tag, and body stamps
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Thanks everyone for the help. Dr. Charles: you are correct. I'm not trying to stamp anything, just gain some confidence my car isn't tampered with or worse. If the stamp on the tranny matches my vin tag, I'll feel better. If not, I won't assume the worst, but I would have less confidence the vin tag wasn't just pulled off another car. I did spend about an hour with a scotch brite on the drivers trunk channel and came up with a number. It didn't seem to match anything though. Am I correct that the last numbers on the fender tag are the von or so # and should match the one on the trunk and the rad support? I also got the paint off the decal on the door jam but it appears to just be tire inflation pressure info.
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2010 Ram 1500 Laramie
1992 Ramcharger
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Re: VIN Rivets, fender tag, and body stamps
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Thanks Dayclona for the pics and the info. I'll get to the garage after dinner to check the #s on the trans. And you are correct, they were pretty brutal at the RMV. Two people firing questions at me about the history of the car. Conversation almost went bad at one point but luckily I steered it back on track and got my title.
There's a pretty good swap/show in Fitchburg this weekend; I'll see if anyone has some rivets. I'll definately replace them to avoid any questions down the road.
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Re: VIN Rivets, fender tag, and body stamps
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Nope, trans does not match the vin. Oh well. Not surprised, the tranny probably came with the 440 that was in it. I'll see if those two at least match when I get it back from the machine shop. So I guess there is no way of telling if this is the vin for this car at this point? Here's the number I found under the trunk channel. Does this look like the right number? (the one I am looking for). This does not match the fender tag.
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2010 Ram 1500 Laramie
1992 Ramcharger
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Re: VIN Rivets, fender tag, and body stamps
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Here's the fender tag. All the options are on this car so I think it is the right tag. The only thing I have not seen is the blue racing stripe. I'll sand down the hood some to see if it is under there.
Speaking of, anyone ever seen an AA1 silver with bright blue racing stripe? Seems like an interesting combo. If anyone has a pic of one please post, I'd love to see it.
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2010 Ram 1500 Laramie
1992 Ramcharger
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