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Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? UPDATE #661453
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After a little more diggin I'm starting to wonder if my mounting it horizontally is part of the problem.

I saw this thread and figured it was OK but know I'm thinking perhaps the BG doesn't like it.

Anyone mounted a BG horizontaly and not had a problem?

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Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: WILD BILL] #661454
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Dig out your instructions. I believe it has to be mounted upright.

I had mine mounted upside down once and they told me that is a NoNo.


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Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: Ron Silva] #661455
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I found the inst on line last night and it does say mount it vertically. That's what prompted the ?

Having no inst from the start and reading the other thread I figured it was ok as all the pumps "look" the same

Now I'm wondering if anyone has pulled it off or if mounting it horizontaly is asking for trouble.


Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: WILD BILL] #661456
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It needs to be vertical BG pump PDF

Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: RC91] #661457
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I really don't want to cut the trunk floor and I'm not convinced I'ld have room for it even if I did. If I tried to mount it vertically under the floor it would hang way to low.

If no one has gotten away with mounting one sideways I might have to go the the Magnafuel pictured in the posted link

Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: WILD BILL] #661458
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Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #661459
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cuased????





I take it your saying that IS the problem

Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: WILD BILL] #661460
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I really don't want to cut the trunk floor and I'm not convinced I'ld have room for it even if I did. If I tried to mount it vertically under the floor it would hang way to low.

If no one has gotten away with mounting one sideways I might have to go the the Magnafuel pictured in the posted link





Bill, I believe the Magnafuel Pumps are supposed to be mounted vertical as well....they are very similar in design as BG

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Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: WILD BILL] #661461
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I really don't want to cut the trunk floor and I'm not convinced I'ld have room for it even if I did. If I tried to mount it vertically under the floor it would hang way to low.

If no one has gotten away with mounting one sideways I might have to go the the Magnafuel pictured in the posted link





Bill, I had to "clearance" the trunk floor when I went from a mallory 140 to the 250.
Here's pics.
Before (mallory 140)



After (mallory 250)




Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: rickstershemi] #661462
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I really don't want to cut the trunk floor and I'm not convinced I'ld have room for it even if I did. If I tried to mount it vertically under the floor it would hang way to low.

If no one has gotten away with mounting one sideways I might have to go the the Magnafuel pictured in the posted link





Bill, I believe the Magnafuel Pumps are supposed to be mounted vertical as well....they are very similar in design as BG

Rickster





I just sent a PM to the member who posted the pic of the pump mounted horizontaly to ask him if he has had any issues as a result.

I beleive Cab said his MF 300 instructions stated it could be mounted any which way.

Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: WILD BILL] #661463
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The biggest concern with mounting any of this style pump [ours and the others[ is that should the seal go out a pump mounted with the motor vertically has a lot less chance of the electric motor filling with fuel like it could with the motor laying on its side or even upside down. The weep hole is there so that the fuel does have an exit away from the motor otherwise it could fill the electrical motor.

A couple of other things too, the 400 must have a -12 an feed line or it can cavitate and cause internal damage . Also if a pump is sititng up for a period of time or even dry before restarting it spray a little oil through the weep hole channel so the seal has some lubrication for start-up.


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Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: Ron Silva] #661465
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Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: TechAtBG] #661466
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Also if a pump is sititng up for a period of time or even dry before restarting it spray a little oil through the weep hole channel so the seal has some lubrication for start-up.







Now there's something to consider. I never did that (nor did I know or think to) and the pump had been sitting dry for a while after I bought it. No idea how long it may have sat before I got it.

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Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: TechAtBG] #661467
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A couple of other things too, the 400 must have a -12 an feed line or it can cavitate and cause internal damage .




Great advise.

I can't believe all the filters I see before the pumps, can't help with cavitation.

Start with a clean fuel cell and lines, then strain your fuel before it goes in the cell and your pump will be happier and last longer without a inlet filter.


There be some guys that'll tell you #10 line is OK for the inlet because that's what they use.

Inlet size should always be larger than the outlet size on most all pumps.

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A couple of other things too, the 400 must have a -12 an feed line or it can cavitate and cause internal damage .




Great advise.

I can't believe all the filters I see before the pumps, can't help with cavitation.

Start with a clean fuel cell and lines, then strain your fuel before it goes in the cell and your pump will be happier and last longer without a inlet filter.


There be some guys that'll tell you #10 line is OK for the inlet because that's what they use.

Inlet size should always be larger than the outlet size on most all pumps.





sorry but a clean filter on the inlet size is recommended for keeping your pump working properly and not allowing any debris to run through the pump.
Product engineering and magnafuel all sell their pumps with fuel filters before the pump.theres a reason for that.
but you are correct always have a larger inlet line than the feed line.

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We recommend a filter prior to the pump as well but our BG5000 does not create any restriction .

You would correct though in some of what we have seen guys trying to run for filters though that only have 130-140gph flow and trying to use it before a 400gph pump. Doesn't work well in those case.


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Re: Could the mounting cuased my pump to leak???? [Re: TechAtBG] #661470
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I do have a filter prior to the pump.

New seals might show up today so I'm thinking what have I got to lose by trying again only this time making sure the seals aren't dry on start up.

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We recommend a filter prior to the pump as well but our BG5000 does not create any restriction .

You would correct though in some of what we have seen guys trying to run for filters though that only have 130-140gph flow and trying to use it before a 400gph pump. Doesn't work well in those case.




I'm a old school Kinsler customer and that's what they recomened years ago. I also run mechanical fuel pumps on blown engines, which would torch it's self with any cavition.

I've raced at least 5 different motors injected on alky and have never hurt a pump or motor because of leaness, never ran a filter before the pump. 15 years running so far, no inlet filters for me.

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cuased????





I take it your saying that IS the problem




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Why not go mechanical belt driven pump? Way better than leaky electrics that strain your electric system.

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