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spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? #647746 03/22/10 12:00 PM 03/22/10 12:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies aarcuda OP I Live Here
aarcuda OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	I was looking at getting a new set of spindles as mine might be worn (if I can get the servvice limits for the spindle, i'll know for sure. Lots of people are selling spindles that they say are based on a 73 and up but will fit all A B and E bodies. Whats the deal with these? They say the spindle uses a larger inner bearing but that the original disk will work??? or am i missing something- the bearing sits in the hub of the disk... but im leery cause I thought thought the spindles were different. Anyone know if these spindles are the same for all three or is the spindle for sale a mutant that they made to fit all three (but isnt really correct) has anyone tried these and found them to work on an ebody? I suppose the caliper bracket is needed because of the design change on the spindle??? It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647747 03/22/10 01:20 PM 03/22/10 01:20 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	The early E spindles have a 1.25 bearing seat and laters are 1.375 IIRC. I have a couple sets of spindles from FMJ and A body cars. Let me know what you are looking for and can probably get you covered.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: RobX4406] #647748 03/22/10 01:32 PM 03/22/10 01:32 PM
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aarcuda OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	my problem is that a lot of them seem to claim these are an exact fit- except a few do say they use a slider caliper. if you look at http://www.mbmbrakeboosters.com/vmchk/Spindles/Mopar-B-E-Body-Spindles-with-Caliper-Brackets.html it shows a slider caliper bracket (at least it looks like one to me). verses the ebody bracket that uses a Pin and rubber busings (I dont have a picture of the bracket on my car but the calipers look like those calipers dont look like they fit the brackets in the above picture 5880599-Caliper.JPG (254 downloads) It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647749 03/22/10 01:35 PM 03/22/10 01:35 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Nice huge pic there Nuke! The calipers pictured look like pin style and they don't fit the brackets you have pictured. You'll bascially change out everything, spindle, calipers/brackets, disc/hub... to the slider set up. I believe your car should currently have the pin style caliper on it.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: RobX4406] #647750 03/22/10 01:48 PM 03/22/10 01:48 PM
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aarcuda OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	thats what im saying. i called the manufacturing of these new spindles and asked "um, they dont look like pin style brackets. Are you SURE they are exact as original?" and the answers was "Um, yup" but i still dont believe. I dont want to change it all up with new calipers. heck, I dont even know if i need new spindles. I am just trying to get rid of some freeplay I am seeing. Maybe the new bearings will cure that. we'll see It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647751 03/22/10 02:01 PM 03/22/10 02:01 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Pin style brackets & slider style brackets will both fit the spindle... So you use the adapter bracket for your style caliper & the rotor size you are using...

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #647752 03/22/10 03:35 PM 03/22/10 03:35 PM
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aarcuda OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	Quote: Pin style brackets & slider style brackets will both fit the spindle... So you use the adapter bracket for your style caliper & the rotor size you are using... ya but i swear the same spindle has to be different from one application to another. i dont want to find out that my application is the one that makes these spindles bind up or throw the geometry off or require ment to buy different ball joints or something It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647753 03/22/10 03:41 PM 03/22/10 03:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Just sell that E body bucket o'bolts and buy a real car... an A body! Those spindles they sell are likely the taller late B - FMJ's. The taller spindle isn't going to hurt anything, been doing those conversions for a long time and never had an "overangled" ball joint yet. A buddy did the math on the angle change and it was minimal, like 3* or less. They should use the same balljoints you currently have on the car.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: RobX4406] #647754 03/22/10 04:03 PM 03/22/10 04:03 PM
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aarcuda OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	well dang it, I need spindles so i can go out and do some more of this: It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647755 03/22/10 04:10 PM 03/22/10 04:10 PM
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71mopardude I don't get it? Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 727 NC USA	Well Ive always heard that the spindles will not interchange for b,e body to the a body but i have 70 e body discs on my 71 scamp ... had it on there for 4 years now never a problem still have the same tires too with no unusual wear and my car tracks and steers great... so maybe there is a geometry snaff foo but it hasnt bothered my car... now for putting 73 up a body discs on the older e,b's ive seen it done and no problems

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647756 03/22/10 04:28 PM 03/22/10 04:28 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,034 Oregon	Knuckles will interchange between any A/B/E and FMJ body car as long as you understand a couple of issues: 1972 and earlier A body cars need to be upgraded to the larger upper ball joint in order to use the big bearing knuckles. 1973 and newer B body cars and all FMJ cars use a taller version of the big bearing knuckle. As for your brake issue: Slider and pin type brackets will interchange on the same knuckle. Small bearing and big bearing hubs do not interchange.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: AndyF] #647757 03/22/10 04:44 PM 03/22/10 04:44 PM
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aarcuda OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	Quote: Knuckles will interchange between any A/B/E and FMJ body car as long as you understand a couple of issues: 1972 and earlier A body cars need to be upgraded to the larger upper ball joint in order to use the big bearing knuckles. 1973 and newer B body cars and all FMJ cars use a taller version of the big bearing knuckle. As for your brake issue: Slider and pin type brackets will interchange on the same knuckle. Small bearing and big bearing hubs do not interchange. I went and tried to buy some rotors this past weekend after the parts guy tells me mine are worn below service limits (like I didnt expect that to happen...) oreillys wants $175 per rotor Advance Auto wants $225 per Autozone wants $77 per........ So I order them. how much you wanna bet the are not the right ones. so, with the newer spindles, all's i need is the new hub/rotor (probably the one from autozone for $77) and a different inner bearing. all other stuff like ball joints caliper brackets and so forth will transfer It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647758 03/22/10 05:26 PM 03/22/10 05:26 PM
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71mopardude I don't get it? Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 727 NC USA	your right their probably the wrong rotors and if they are the later ones you can use them with different inner bearings and seals ( in my case 70 e body spindles with later one piece rotors, that i had turned down due to thickness) i used an A-6 bearing and seal number 41461s both national numbers and both have been on my car for 4 years ... hope it helps some lol

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: 71mopardude] #647759 03/22/10 09:50 PM 03/22/10 09:50 PM
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aarcuda OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	Quote: your right their probably the wrong rotors and if they are the later ones you can use them with different inner bearings and seals ( in my case 70 e body spindles with later one piece rotors, that i had turned down due to thickness) i used an A-6 bearing and seal number 41461s both national numbers and both have been on my car for 4 years ... hope it helps some lol we'll see what they look like tomorrow It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647760 03/23/10 02:01 AM 03/23/10 02:01 AM
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DoctorDiff master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT	Unfortunately, A-6 and A-17 bearings should not be mixed in order to install late rotors on early knuckles. The rollers look close, but they have a slightly different pitch. BTW, I sell spindle sleeves and conversion hub seals to adapt a late rotor and A-17 bearing to the early knuckle. Contact info

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: DoctorDiff] #647761 03/23/10 02:10 AM 03/23/10 02:10 AM
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MonGoo$e master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,518 Indiana	from my experience the B and E's used that pin style caliper and the A-body used the slider with the clips. I guess they interchange on the spindle? My YouTube Channel, "Hoosier Garage" https://www.youtube.com/HoosierGarage

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: MonGoo$e] #647762 03/23/10 08:01 AM 03/23/10 08:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,756 London, England Gavin top fuel
Gavin top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,756 London, England	It's pretty straightforward and there is a lot of info out there on the web (check out Eberg MA article). The "73-76" A Body spindles are the exact same as the 73-74 Ebody. If the vendor says they are based on 73-up spindles I'd be surprised if this is not what they are offering. These in turn are the same as the 70-72 E Body spindles in all respects except with the larger inner bearing...which you want if for no other reason than to avoid the expensive and less reliable two piece early rotors. There are two caliper brackets, slider and pin, each with merits, that will fit the same spindle and work fine with their respective calipers. also available are the later F/M/J spindles that have been mentioned. They are a little taller but otherwise fit the same. Debate has raged for 20 years on these...IMHO they are fine to use.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: Gavin] #647763 03/23/10 09:59 AM 03/23/10 09:59 AM
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aarcuda OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	I spoke to a guy that sells reproduction spindles. he says these are exactly like the originals and take the original style disk with the original sized bearing and seal. I guess i will try them out.... this is the guy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...010431005986420 It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: aarcuda] #647764 03/23/10 11:07 AM 03/23/10 11:07 AM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,034 Oregon	That is a really good deal for a new pair of spindles. The ebay ad is a little misleading probably because the guy doesn't know much about Mopars. Those are 73-74 A/E body spindles. They'll fit any ABE car from '62-'72 and can be used for disc brake conversions. He probably just doesn't know that or didn't want to type it all in. In any case, that is a killer price. He must be buying them wholesale and selling them for just a small markup. Most people charge about twice as much for the same knuckles.

Re: spindles fit A, B and E body??? Is that right? [Re: AndyF] #647765 03/23/10 11:49 AM 03/23/10 11:49 AM
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DoctorDiff master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT	I sell the same thing for $200 pair. Contact info

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