|
1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
#644611
03/19/10 12:45 AM
03/19/10 12:45 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Hello all,
It's my first post - I'm allowed to screw it up.
New member here, I have been reading these boards for a couple months now, and I have to say it is a great source of information.
This car has been in my family since 1993-ish. It has recently passed to me so I have been researching more on the car. I was surpised to find that it is a paint code 999. When we bought the car it was missing the orginal drive train and was painted orange with some green and black mismatched interior. We paid around 2k and the VIN checked out as a RR so we didn't think too much about it. It was repainted silver and a crate HEMI was installed.
My main questions are:
Does the number double stamped on the rad support look right?
Where do I look in the trunk for the other VON number?
What would be the best spot to try to find the original paint color?
Thanks all in advance.
Last edited by JimDiesel; 03/22/10 02:01 AM.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused *DELETED*
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644612
03/19/10 12:46 AM
03/19/10 12:46 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Post deleted by JimDiesel
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644613
03/19/10 12:54 AM
03/19/10 12:54 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
the car as purchased early 1990s
Last edited by JimDiesel; 03/19/10 03:26 PM.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644614
03/19/10 12:56 AM
03/19/10 12:56 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
upper radiator support.
I sanded the paint off since there was a thick coat of black paint that made it hard to see. The orange left over in numbers makes em easy to read.
Last edited by JimDiesel; 03/19/10 02:26 AM.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644617
03/19/10 01:02 AM
03/19/10 01:02 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
How the car sits now.
Not too happy with teh wheel choice.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644618
03/19/10 01:06 AM
03/19/10 01:06 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
This is how I think the Fender Tag breaks down. It did have the fender turn signals but was missing the vinyl top.
CAR: Plymouth RoadRunner 2 Door Hardtop
ENGINE: 383cid 4-bbl HP V8
TRANSMISSION: 3-Speed Automatic
TIRES: F70x14 Red Side Wall, Steel Belted
BUILD DATE: June 24.
AXLE: 3.23 Rear Axle Ratio
INTERIOR: High Trim Grade, Vinyl Split Bench Seats. Black Interior.
PAINT: Special Order Paint.
OTHER: Black Upper Door Frame Color. Black Horizontal Accent Stripe.
MOLDINGS:
19: Wide Sill Mouldings
25: Drip Rail Mouldings
ABC OPTIONS:
R1: AM Radio
X2: Tinted Windshield Only
Y6: Black Vinyl Top
Z8: Performance Hood Treatment (Roadrunner/GTX)
abc OPTIONS:
h7: Fender or Hood Mounted Turn Signal Indicators
m6: Driver's Outside Remote Operated Mirror
y9: Special Order
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
#644620
03/19/10 01:15 AM
03/19/10 01:15 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
THis is what I am coming up with for the VIN decode
RM 23 H8 E167XXX
Body Type: R = Road Runner
Price Class: M = Medium
Body Type: 23 = 2 Door Hardtop
Engine: H = 383 330HP OR 335HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL
Year: 8 = 1968
Sequence Number: 167XXX
The car is pretty far from stock, but I am amazed what some people on the site are able to do. Actually My dad bought this car in the San Diego area, so although I live in Norcal now, not sure about how it came to be in Socal. We were not able to locate the build sheets or anything else when the car was painted silver. Pretty sure the interior was cobbled together, looks to have a blue lower dash pad, and it had green seats, steering wheel, and A-piller covers. It did had the trunk decor piece, although it is gone now.
Thanks for the info on Omaha Orange - I read through those posts. Very interesting...
I found some numbers in the trunk, but they do not seem right. Are there numbers on both the drivers side and the passenger side? I think I am looking in the wrong place.
Drivers side - 2841301
Passengers side - 2841300
Last edited by JimDiesel; 03/20/10 04:15 PM.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
#644622
03/19/10 01:26 AM
03/19/10 01:26 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Nice, another Sonoma Co person.
I have only lived here since 1997.
I love it.
Don't think I will ever move again if I can help it.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644624
03/19/10 01:29 AM
03/19/10 01:29 AM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Look up under the dash for original overspray of the original color. Also behind the front kick panels. These area seldom get repainted unless the car has been stripped/dipped.
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
#644625
03/19/10 01:50 AM
03/19/10 01:50 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Although I think it looks great on A12 cars, I will be honest and say that orange would not be my first choice, although silver wouldn't be either.
The car needs some work, so I am at a point where I need to deceid to stay stock on continue with the modifications. I was all set to just keep modifying it until I found the special order paint code...
Issue #1 is that the pass valve cover hits the fender - think that can be sovled by goign back to stock type valve covers.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644626
03/19/10 01:57 AM
03/19/10 01:57 AM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Well, the nice thing about having a 999 paint code is that you can paint it ANY color that was avalable to the entire auto industry in 1968 and no one can say it is wrong. 
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: ademon]
#644629
03/19/10 02:19 AM
03/19/10 02:19 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Interior is black.
aftermarket seats, gauges, steering wheel.
Wish it was more original.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644630
03/19/10 02:23 AM
03/19/10 02:23 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
Look under the rear package tray  you might find some original paint. The top brace behind the rear seat may have the PPG number of the paint used. The double stamped core support looks like an appropriate "mistake", I know of a Duster that is stamped 6 times.
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644631
03/19/10 02:39 AM
03/19/10 02:39 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
I will check more tomorrow when I can see more.
behind kick panels - doesn't seem to really be painted.
Fender wheels - undercoated
Under package tray- looks like light gray or so with orange overspray.
There is a lot of orange everywhere. I am thinking that was the color, although the hood and roof most likely were repainted since the vinyl top and stripes were missing.
Was there a standard color primer?
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644632
03/19/10 03:00 AM
03/19/10 03:00 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,525
N.E. OHIO, USA
A12
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,525
N.E. OHIO, USA
|
Quote:
Drivers side - 2841301
Passengers side - 2841300
Those numbers may be part numbers for the drip rail or panels. The number you're looking for it the same number(s) that is double stamped on the radiator support and matches the number on the lower (bottom) right on the fender tag. It should be on the top of the drip rail on the driver's side middle to rear on the drip rail and under the weather strip, see photo. You may have found the number with the arrow near it?
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: coffeeman383]
#644634
03/19/10 12:25 PM
03/19/10 12:25 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,407
Brantford Ontario
69_SIX_PACK
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,407
Brantford Ontario
|
Omaha Orange is a cool colour Is that the actual car in the first pic before it was repainted silver? Dave
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confused
[Re: coffeeman383]
#644635
03/19/10 01:38 PM
03/19/10 01:38 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Is a VON the same as S.O. Number? And was it only used up to and including 1968?
PS I like the silver and the wheels!
Basically the same thing. an SO number is the sales order number that was pre-printed on the dealers sales order forms and used as a portion/combination in different places such as the IBM, B/S, FT, and as the hidden numbers on the cars up until the 1969 year. In 1969 they changed this to a VON or vehicle order number which was still used in the various places mentioned above EXCEPT not for the hidden numnbers on the car bodies.
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644636
03/19/10 02:33 PM
03/19/10 02:33 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 22,900
Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC
Diego (not Ted)
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 22,900
Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC
|
Quote:
I disagree.
The code may specify a non-production color, but who's to say it's correct with *any* color?
I'd hate to have an owner with one of these regional CA cars paint it some other color and claim it's correct. In the end, the pedigree is lost unless a build sheet exists.
The fact that the current owner has found some orange on this car is pretty cool, though.
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: Diego (not Ted)]
#644637
03/19/10 03:21 PM
03/19/10 03:21 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Quote:
I disagree.
The code may specify a non-production color, but who's to say it's correct with *any* color?
I'd hate to have an owner with one of these regional CA cars paint it some other color and claim it's correct. In the end, the pedigree is lost unless a build sheet exists.
The fact that the current owner has found some orange on this car is pretty cool, though.
If it had a broadcast sheet it too would only show a 999 color code so it proves nothing regarding what the car was actually painted.
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
#644638
03/19/10 03:41 PM
03/19/10 03:41 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
yes, the picture shows the condition of the car around the time we bought it. I know there are more pictures some where. I will have to look for them.
I will take some more pics this weekend of the interior and trunk.
As far as the original color, I don't think I will ever know for sure, but I am having a good time investigating.
Thanks for compliments on the silver - its a dodge viper color, The wheels are Edelbrock
wheels that they made for a very short time.
And Thanks for all Help/Advice!!
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: hemibeep]
#644641
03/19/10 07:16 PM
03/19/10 07:16 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Yes they had YOUR paint code in 69 but 68 is is only 999.
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: Diego (not Ted)]
#644643
03/20/10 12:59 PM
03/20/10 12:59 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Couple more pics of the car when it was purchased
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644645
03/20/10 01:01 PM
03/20/10 01:01 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Some cop wheels that were on it for a bit after repaint
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644646
03/20/10 01:23 PM
03/20/10 01:23 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Found the SO number in trunk.
It matches th radiator support and fender tag.
Heading to work for a bit.
I will try to take apart the interior and snap some pics tomorrow.
I am excited that this car appears to actually be a special order car.
Last edited by JimDiesel; 03/22/10 01:32 AM.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: ademon]
#644649
03/20/10 04:14 PM
03/20/10 04:14 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
DAMN
Awesome Pics Cuda!
Thats what my car should look like!
Except with Vinyl Top and black stripes
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644650
03/20/10 04:43 PM
03/20/10 04:43 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms
Mr Wizzard
|
Mr Wizzard
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
|
Quote:
Found the OS number in trunk.
It matches Rad support and fender.
Heading to work for a bit.
I will try to take apart the interior and snap some pics tomorrow.
I am excited that this car appears to actually be a special order car.
Also notice what color the paint is down inside those numbers
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
#644651
03/20/10 10:42 PM
03/20/10 10:42 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
I should have mentioned that when the car was painted silver it was just sanded down and sprayed. It was not taken down to bare metal or media blasted or anything like that. There is still lots of orange paint in the car; for example most of the trunk is still orange.
In this case, I am happy that there is still a good amount of original paint on the car. Hooray for cheap paint jobs!
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644652
03/21/10 12:11 AM
03/21/10 12:11 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
DAMN
Awesome Pics Cuda!
Thats what my car should look like!
Except with Vinyl Top and black stripes
I think the black pin stripe on the car I pictured might be the black side stripes you mention? 
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644654
03/21/10 02:12 AM
03/21/10 02:12 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
These two cars seem to have been very similarly optioned. I believe that my car had the lower body mouldings as well. I do not have a pic tht shows it. My recollection was that there was some shoddy body work covering up the attachment points.
Would be interesting to see how the production date, VON, SPD, VIN of the 68 RR in the pictures above compares to yours.
|
|
|
A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, VON
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644655
03/21/10 08:08 PM
03/21/10 08:08 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Ok, I saw Doug's 68 Omaha Orange RR that he bought in 1968 this morning at the B&M car show. This is the car I posted pictures of above . . . . . . . .  BINGO !!! I had a hunch. Your car has a VIN just EIGHT at the L.A. plant before Doug's 68 RR pictured above bought new at Glendale C-P. Yours is 167192 Doug's car is 167200 !! Both cars have the same SPD fairly late in the model year, June 24, 1968. The cars are VERY similarly equipped on the fender tag. Yours has y-6 and z-8 his doesn't. His has has axle code 45, yours is 4. His is 4 speed with different tire option. The VON's (edit: S.O.'s) are way different. Anyone's thoughts on that?? Here is Doug's window sticker: 
Last edited by autoxcuda; 03/21/10 09:12 PM.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, VON
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644656
03/21/10 08:58 PM
03/21/10 08:58 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Ok, I saw Doug's 68 Omaha Orange RR that he bought in 1968 this morning at the B&M car show. This is the car I posted pictures of above
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
BINGO !!!
I had a hunch. Your car has a VIN just EIGHT at the L.A. plant before Doug's 68 RR pictured above bought new at Glendale C-P. Yours is 167192 Doug's car is 167200 !! Both cars have the same SPD fairly late in the model year, June 24, 1968.
The cars are VERY similarly equipped on the fender tag. Yours has y-6 and z-8 his doesn't. His has has axle code 45, yours is 4. Don't know the difference between bottom line 3 46 numbers he has and the 5 44 you have.
The VON's are way different. Anyone's thoughts on that??
Here is Doug's window sticker:
In 68 that would be an SO not a VON.
Dealers typically got their sales order forms from their sales reps. The reps had boxes of them that were in numeric order that they dispersed throughout their group of dealers that they called on. When the dealer got low on them they got the next numbers that the rep had. He may have given the previous numbers to your new batch to a dealer many miles away from your dealership. So in this case, the SO numbers for these cars could simply be a matter of the dealer running out of the cronological numeric forms and began writing orders on the new batch he got. There is no magic in it and trying to corrolate V.I.N.s with SOs or VONs sometimes works and sometimes not because of this.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, VON
#644657
03/21/10 09:12 PM
03/21/10 09:12 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
In 68 that would be an SO not a VON.
Dealers typically got their sales order forms from their sales reps. The reps had boxes of them that were in numeric order that they dispersed throughout their group of dealers that they called on. When the dealer got low on them they got the next numbers that the rep had. He may have given the previous numbers to your new batch to a dealer many miles away from your dealership. So in this case, the SO numbers for these cars could simply be a matter of the dealer running out of the cronological numeric forms and began writing orders on the new batch he got. There is no magic in it and trying to corrolate V.I.N.s with SOs or VONs sometimes works and sometimes not because of this.
Opps, I should have known that.
Could this car have been built to put into the sales bank without the dealer specifically spec'ing it out. I thought there were cars built that were not specifically intended for a particular dealer. The xxx200 car was not ordered by the customer. It was on the lot.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644658
03/21/10 11:25 PM
03/21/10 11:25 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Great Work AutoX!!
I feel like I have found my car's long lost twin. They were both built in the same plant on the same day, both 999 cars.
I got stuck watching the kids and wasn't able to play with the car, but I will soon.
Differences:
3 speed auto v 4 speed manual
Options only mine has:
Vinyl top
Peformance hood treatment
Driver's Outside Remote Operated Mirror
Options only his has:
Tach
I am amazed at how many things on the right side of that window sticker refer to safety this or safety that.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644659
03/22/10 12:06 AM
03/22/10 12:06 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
This is what the interweb is giving me.
5 44 =
TRANSMISSION: 3-Speed Automatic
TIRES: F70x14 Red Sidewall, Steel Belted
3 46 =
TRANSMISSION: 4-Speed Manual Floor Shift
TIRES: F70x14 White Sidewall, steel belted
The tire code does not appear correct as the window sticker lists red streak tires.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644661
03/22/10 12:39 AM
03/22/10 12:39 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,607
Pgh, PA
Bull1tt
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,607
Pgh, PA
|
Quote:
Couple more pics of the car when it was purchased
Just noticed no flat black on the rad support behind the grille. Maybe had a thorough repaint at some point in time?
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: Bull1tt]
#644662
03/22/10 12:52 AM
03/22/10 12:52 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
Quote:
Couple more pics of the car when it was purchased
Just noticed no flat black on the rad support behind the grille. Maybe had a thorough repaint at some point in time?
From the picture I assumed it had been repainted. But you just need to pull up the carpet and feather edge sand to the bare metal to show all the layers of paint. Same for a the underside frame rails.
I think it pretty obvious this car was an Omaha Orange 68 RR. And the fact there is another 8 VIN's away batched with it even refutes it more.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644664
03/22/10 01:09 AM
03/22/10 01:09 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
Quote:
This is what the interweb is giving me.
5 44 =
TRANSMISSION: 3-Speed Automatic
TIRES: F70x14 Red Sidewall, Steel Belted
3 46 =
TRANSMISSION: 4-Speed Manual Floor Shift
TIRES: F70x14 White Sidewall, steel belted
The tire code does not appear correct as the window sticker lists red streak tires.
The only problem I see with the above decode info is - the tires were NOT "steel belted". They were "nylon ply" & I have not seen any evidence that anything other than a Goodyear "SPEEDWAY" tire was used in this application. The 44 code "red streak" F70-14 tire was STANDARD on the '68 383 Road Runner & the 46 code "white streak" F70-14 tire was a "NO COST" option. The fact that it doesn't appear on the window sticker MAY be as simple as it wasn't a "cost" item.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644665
03/22/10 01:22 AM
03/22/10 01:22 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
interior pics 1
I just wiped it down with some waetr as it was pretty dusty.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644667
03/22/10 01:22 AM
03/22/10 01:22 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
As far as the S.O.#s being so off, you'd have to ask Doug a little about ordering the car. #1 Was it a Chrysler employee, FLEET account or "Military Order"? #2 What was the circumstance that caused the "SHIP TO" address to be different than the "SOLD TO" dealership? #3 What/Who is "Dallas Smith"? Funny thing NO CHARGE for the "special order" OMAHA ORANGE. 
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: JimDiesel]
#644668
03/22/10 01:23 AM
03/22/10 01:23 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Interior 3
If there is a better way to post pics - someone let me know lol
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: A12]
#644681
03/22/10 01:45 AM
03/22/10 01:45 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Trunk Plug 1
The pics dont show it that well, but there is a definite color difference. The original color is lighter and brighter.
Last edited by JimDiesel; 03/22/10 02:15 AM.
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644685
03/22/10 01:50 AM
03/22/10 01:50 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
Does anyone know what happened to the OMAHA ORANGE "give-away" Road Runner from Restorations by Julius from the '95?? PACIFIC NATIONALS here in Las Vegas?
Was that a 68 RR or a 69 RR?
There's a ton of orange 69's around. Two in our car club alone.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644695
03/22/10 02:15 AM
03/22/10 02:15 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 29,654
Hamtramck, PA
Alaskan_TA
Fluffy Balladeer
|
Fluffy Balladeer
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 29,654
Hamtramck, PA
|
Quote:
I thought Julius' RR was a '68.
"Omaha Orange" started life as a fleet color "safety orange" and was used by many automobile & truck manufacturers for DOT vehicles and other state & federal agencies. Its popularity on some muscle cars namely California Road Runners, Barracudas, & Bengal Chagers led Chrysler to market a similar hue (EK2) with gold metallic in it as "Vitamin C" for the Plymouths and "Go Mango" for the Dodges starting in the spring of '69.
A clearer image of that page at this link;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1969/69-23-18.jpg
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
#644696
03/22/10 02:25 AM
03/22/10 02:25 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
Where was the LA MOPAR assembly plant? The Ford plant was in Pico Rivera, near Santa Fe Springs. What's with the 6 digit ZIP CODE on Doug's window sticker?  Dodge used 960xxx Shipping Order Numbers for their 1968 "dealer anouncement cars". 
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
#644699
03/22/10 02:32 AM
03/22/10 02:32 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
Santa Fe Springs to Glendale ~ 21-miles Google Maps did the car have miles on it when Doug purchased it? Does he remember the day/date when he purchased it? LA assembly plant to Auto pre-check ~ 7-miles Google Maps check out the satellite view.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
#644702
03/22/10 02:44 AM
03/22/10 02:44 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
I think he was referring to the SO number for my car being 960192
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
#644703
03/22/10 02:45 AM
03/22/10 02:45 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
Unless it was driven from Auto Pre-Check (if that was its destination in Santa Fe Springs?) to Glendale where Doug picked up his 999 '68 Road Runner when it was "NEW". I know this is crossing Dodge/Plymouth lines, but the '68 Charger R/T pictured which I believe to be a "dealer announcement unit" with a SO# of 960172 VS. Jim's 999 '68 Road Runner's with a SO# of 960192. & there are plenty of "special" early '69 Dodges & Plymouths with 96xxxx VONs.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644704
03/22/10 03:00 AM
03/22/10 03:00 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
I'm going to have to get ahold of Doug and ask him some questions about the car when he got it. I see the destination charge was like $149. Was the destination charge a flat fee at the point?? My dad said back in the 40's and 50's and before you could pick up a car in Detroit and save shipping costs. The farther your dealer was from Detroit, the more destination charge you paid. But at some time they did away with picking cars up in Detroit. Way before 1968 I'd think. Quote:
Santa Fe Springs to Glendale ~ 21-miles Google Maps did the car have miles on it when Doug purchased it? Does he remember the day/date when he purchased it?
LA assembly plant to Auto pre-check ~ 7-miles Google Maps check out the satellite view.
Last edited by autoxcuda; 03/22/10 03:25 AM.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644705
03/22/10 03:10 AM
03/22/10 03:10 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 29,654
Hamtramck, PA
Alaskan_TA
Fluffy Balladeer
|
Fluffy Balladeer
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 29,654
Hamtramck, PA
|
OK, I am on the same page now. Once again, I do not look at '68 stuff much, but..... If they are the same as later cars & the way the VONs worked, early 96xxxx cars would be sales bank / prodotional use. It may just mean special order later in the year. If the orange cars were used at an event, or at dealerships to promote the new color, then that would be a promotional use even that late in the year. Libraries with old CA newspapers on microfiche would be the place to look for any promotional ads.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644706
03/22/10 03:13 AM
03/22/10 03:13 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 29,654
Hamtramck, PA
Alaskan_TA
Fluffy Balladeer
|
Fluffy Balladeer
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 29,654
Hamtramck, PA
|
Quote:
But at some time they did away with picking cars up in Detroit. Way before 1968 I'd think.
Special driveaway (plant pick up) was still available in the 1970s.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644707
03/22/10 03:28 AM
03/22/10 03:28 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
Quote:
Was the destination charge a flat fee at the point??
Yes, the destination charge on a '68 Road Runner sold at Glendale CP should be the same no matter which plant it was built at.
The destination charge on a HEMI Road Runner built in Detroit would be the same as a 383 coupe built in Los Angeles, as well as a GTX convertible built in St. Louis. A-bodies were less & c-bodies were more. There may be a few more variables, but that is the jist of it. I have a chart with '68 shipping rates - somewhere.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
#644708
03/22/10 03:32 AM
03/22/10 03:32 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
OK, I am on the same page now.
Once again, I do not look at '68 stuff much, but.....
If they are the same as later cars & the way the VONs worked, early 96xxxx cars would be sales bank / prodotional use. It may just mean special order later in the year.
If the orange cars were used at an event, or at dealerships to promote the new color, then that would be a promotional use even that late in the year. Libraries with old CA newspapers on microfiche would be the place to look for any promotional ads.
Reading the Jett article, maybe they used promotional code to fake out the system to use the fleet color. Maybe that's a fleet SO # also.
Looks like they batched the Orange cars for paint booth purposes. I bet the eight cars between the two cars mentioned here were also 999 orange.
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644709
03/22/10 07:54 AM
03/22/10 07:54 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,607
Pgh, PA
Bull1tt
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,607
Pgh, PA
|
Quote:
Quote:
I would say it was an Orange car as well. But I would really look in the hard places for color.
I'm 92% at this point.
Orange paint in the indentations of the body number stamping on the trunk and stamping on the radiator support. Orange paint fading to bare metal in the trunk rail right next the the body number stamping.
Edit: Those new interior pics seal the deal for me. Any questioning those?
The pics look good to me as well. I'm all in at 100% Omaha Orange!
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, VON
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644711
03/22/10 11:51 AM
03/22/10 11:51 AM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Quote:
In 68 that would be an SO not a VON.
Dealers typically got their sales order forms from their sales reps. The reps had boxes of them that were in numeric order that they dispersed throughout their group of dealers that they called on. When the dealer got low on them they got the next numbers that the rep had. He may have given the previous numbers to your new batch to a dealer many miles away from your dealership. So in this case, the SO numbers for these cars could simply be a matter of the dealer running out of the cronological numeric forms and began writing orders on the new batch he got. There is no magic in it and trying to corrolate V.I.N.s with SOs or VONs sometimes works and sometimes not because of this.
Opps, I should have known that.
Could this car have been built to put into the sales bank without the dealer specifically spec'ing it out. I thought there were cars built that were not specifically intended for a particular dealer. The xxx200 car was not ordered by the customer. It was on the lot.
That too is a possibility.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644712
03/22/10 11:57 AM
03/22/10 11:57 AM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Quote:
Was the destination charge a flat fee at the point??
Yes, the destination charge on a '68 Road Runner sold at Glendale CP should be the same no matter which plant it was built at.
The destination charge on a HEMI Road Runner built in Detroit would be the same as a 383 coupe built in Los Angeles, as well as a GTX convertible built in St. Louis. A-bodies were less & c-bodies were more. There may be a few more variables, but that is the jist of it. I have a chart with '68 shipping rates - somewhere.
I disagree. Corporate determined where the car would be built depending on the closest plant to the dealer to be delivered to. However depending on what plant it was shipped from the shipping cost could vary depending on the distence to the dealership.
|
|
|
Re: 1968 Road Runner - paint code 999 - VIN, VON confu
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
#644713
03/22/10 12:03 PM
03/22/10 12:03 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,117
Chicago Blackhawks
hemicar1971
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,117
Chicago Blackhawks
|
I know a Dallas Smith.There is a very very very slight possiblity that he bought this car or had something to do with it. Dallas Smith was Bobby Orr's defence partner in 1968 Playing for the Boston Bruins. 1967 was an Expansion year in the NHL and maybe Dallas had something to do with the Califoria Golden Seals or the New NHL expansion teams but he never played for them. I know from experience with Mopars that one NHL hockey player that worked for Chrysler had a lot to do with ordering Chrysler built products for other NHL hockey players.
1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
#644715
03/22/10 01:30 PM
03/22/10 01:30 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Was the destination charge a flat fee at the point??
Yes, the destination charge on a '68 Road Runner sold at Glendale CP should be the same no matter which plant it was built at.
The destination charge on a HEMI Road Runner built in Detroit would be the same as a 383 coupe built in Los Angeles, as well as a GTX convertible built in St. Louis. A-bodies were less & c-bodies were more. There may be a few more variables, but that is the jist of it. I have a chart with '68 shipping rates - somewhere.
I disagree. Corporate determined where the car would be built depending on the closest plant to the dealer to be delivered to. However depending on what plant it was shipped from the shipping cost could vary depending on the distence to the dealership.
Please explain the $149 Destination Charge associated with the delivery of the Road Runner that was delivered 7 miles from the LA plant.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644716
03/22/10 09:42 PM
03/22/10 09:42 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Was the destination charge a flat fee at the point??
Yes, the destination charge on a '68 Road Runner sold at Glendale CP should be the same no matter which plant it was built at.
The destination charge on a HEMI Road Runner built in Detroit would be the same as a 383 coupe built in Los Angeles, as well as a GTX convertible built in St. Louis. A-bodies were less & c-bodies were more. There may be a few more variables, but that is the jist of it. I have a chart with '68 shipping rates - somewhere.
I disagree. Corporate determined where the car would be built depending on the closest plant to the dealer to be delivered to. However depending on what plant it was shipped from the shipping cost could vary depending on the distence to the dealership.
Please explain the $149 Destination Charge associated with the delivery of the Road Runner that was delivered 7 miles from the LA plant.
Don't know, probably some union thing.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
#644717
03/22/10 10:55 PM
03/22/10 10:55 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,518
Las Vegas, NV
|
Quote:
Don't know, probably some union thing.
You disagree with my statement but offer nothing but I "don't know"! BRAVO!!
Chrysler did NOT handicap sales of full size, convertible, or HEMI cars (none built on the west coast) by having an excessive "DESTINATION CHARGE" VS. the much smaller selection/variety of cars assembled locally at the LA plant.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644718
03/22/10 11:09 PM
03/22/10 11:09 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Quote:
Don't know, probably some union thing.
You disagree with my statement but offer nothing but I "don't know"! BRAVO!! Chrysler did NOT handicap sales of full size, convertible, or HEMI cars (none built on the west coast) by having an excessive "DESTINATION CHARGE" VS. the much smaller selection/variety of cars assembled locally at the LA plant.
Well, I sold them new and do know that the shipping charges were diferent depending on what plant the came from.
I understand what you are talking about a handicap and that was always something that I didn't understand. It has been 40 years, maybe I am remebering it wrong but I don't think so because it was something I always questioned at the time.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644720
03/23/10 01:35 AM
03/23/10 01:35 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
Quote:
Don't know, probably some union thing.
You disagree with my statement but offer nothing but I "don't know"! BRAVO!!
Chrysler did NOT handicap sales of full size, convertible, or HEMI cars (none built on the west coast) by having an excessive "DESTINATION CHARGE" VS. the much smaller selection/variety of cars assembled locally at the LA plant.
That 68 Window sticker has the same exact delivery charge of $149. I see that car is Hemi car, so it would have not been built at L.A. plant. Still same charge.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: autoxcuda]
#644721
03/24/10 12:50 AM
03/24/10 12:50 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
JimDiesel
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 142
Petaluma, CA
|
Is there a way to get the headliner off without destroying it (unlikely as I tend to break things)? It is in decent shape and so I'd rather not - but I will if I need to.
Anything else I should do to document the paint besides more pics?
Does the 999 Omaha Orange add much value to the car, or is it worth about what a modified road runner with a crate HEMI is worth.
Thanks
68 Road Runner
67 Coronet
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
[Re: 6bblgt]
#644722
03/24/10 03:23 PM
03/24/10 03:23 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
OK, let me see if I understand what you guys are saying here. Your saying that in the interest of keeping things fair throughout the country that the destination charge was the same throughout the country on a given car? Yes that would make it fair on a national basis but totally unfair on a local level and would have promote MANY more factory pick ups by buyers which by the way was minimal in the grand scheme of things.
I can tell you that at the dealership I worked at 68-74 the destination charges were different from every assembly plant we got them from depending on the distance from our dealership. It was a regional thing that was the same for any dealer in that region. If as an example a Cal. dealer ordered a hemi car that had to come from St. Louis, all dealers in his region would have the same destination charge. However, a dealer in the St. louis region would have a much lower destination charge. People don't shop cars coast to coast, they shop within their region and it was fair to all within the region.
|
|
|
Re: A match!!: 1968 RR - paint code 999 - VIN, SO
#644723
03/25/10 03:27 AM
03/25/10 03:27 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
OK, let me see if I understand what you guys are saying here. Your saying that in the interest of keeping things fair throughout the country that the destination charge was the same throughout the country on a given car? Yes that would make it fair on a national basis but totally unfair on a local level and would have promote MANY more factory pick ups by buyers which by the way was minimal in the grand scheme of things.
I can tell you that at the dealership I worked at 68-74 the destination charges were different from every assembly plant we got them from depending on the distance from our dealership. It was a regional thing that was the same for any dealer in that region. If as an example a Cal. dealer ordered a hemi car that had to come from St. Louis, all dealers in his region would have the same destination charge. However, a dealer in the St. louis region would have a much lower destination charge. People don't shop cars coast to coast, they shop within their region and it was fair to all within the region.
The desination charge of that 68 4spd RR that went from the LA plant to Glendale was the same charge at the 68 RR Hemi car that went from St Louis/Detroit? to Arizona that 6bblgt posted the window sticker for. How could that have happened? Was California in AZ's region??
|
|
|
|
|
.jpg){kind=link}
![5874517-RR_008[2].jpg](/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/70740/filename/5874517-RR_008[2].jpg){kind=link}
.jpg){kind=link}
