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Absolutely Beautiful work Mike. It looks Fantastic!

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Thanks Dave

When considering value, all I can add is that I did another R4 red A12 car that was a 4 speed some time back for the same guy. This car was modified and had headers and frame connectors, among other things but was a very nicely done car that also ran pretty hard, but not quite as hard as the black car runs. Like the black car, it had some very nice paint and body work.

That car wound up in the hands of Colin Comer, who sold it a few years back for 150K at the BJ circus. The motor and trans were not #'s matching. And he didn't do anything to it from when I had it in my shop. i thought that was pretty steep for a non #'s car that was modified, but it looked, ran, and sounded good.

Who knows what the future holds, but perhaps the correctly restored OEM cars will be the heavies, now that the uneducated buyers with the loose wallets have faded into the background.

MB

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"I dont think yu will be able to find the correct laquer paint anywhere nowadays."
None of the car you listed came from the factory with laquer painted exteriors. Specific parts maybe but not the exterior paint.

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OK whatever the original paint was called, you cant get it nowadays. Thats what I was trying to convey.

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Paul Jacobs, since you are reading this.... Wasn't it single stage enamel?
Can't you still get it from PPG?
What do you use on your OE restorations?

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All these posts defining, refining, and offering underlying definitions of over restored vs. OE concours hasnt answered the mans initial OPs requestion on resale. The man asked about resale.....
In the end, I prefer an over restored car because.....

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His question WAS answered quite a few times within this thread! Ignoring the responses because they do not correlate with your particular view does not qualify the oversight. There is no defining line within this subject matter. I commented in an earlier post: "Do what you want and hopefully it will appeal to a buyer that has similar taste. As soon as you make a move either way, someone will always take the other side and come back with the typical, "Yeah but what about..... ".

There are pros and cons for each side. The subject matter is completely pursuant to a person's likes or dislikes. I doubt anyone will find a book or manual that provides that proverbial "line in the sand" as to what is better or which style brings more $$$.

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I would never actually OWN an OE car. Let the games begin...

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Me neither.

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The man asked about resale.

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I gave my opinion at least twice in this thread

I know, I am irrelevant

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An 'over restored' car will have a larger target audience and chances are will sell faster and maybe even for similar amounts. Thus creating a better chance to recoupe the investement verses and OE level done car

case in point - my former car. It is not, was not, nor was it ever intended to be an OE level car in any way shape or form from the very beginning.
This has to be a record for a single 4 barrel 340 challenger hardtop
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/applicati...;pop=0&it=1

to the OP, do what makes you and/or your intended client market happy and run with it

ps
PJ, I call shotgun

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That car looks awesome! I would have passed on it because of the master cylinder. J/K, of course.

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I know, I am irrelevant MB

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You are being much to modest Mike! I know that some consider these posts to be but the concepts and opinions are what provides substance to the original question. There will always be small subdivides that constitute a general theme. I find it comical that some STILL continue to ignore reality and fight the obvious truth. For instance consider the comment, " I have an issue with the description of modified...... Many shows allow up to 3 modifications before you were put into the modified class."

If you repeat that over and over, it's contradictory content becomes clearer and clearer. For the purpose of illustration lets rephrase that concept in a different manner. Suppose a teacher tells her students that they can miss up to 3 days of school and STILL be awarded a "Perfect" attendance award! Or can you imagine asking an old girlfriend/boyfriend if they are still a Virgin and they reply, "Why of course!!! I have only had Sex three times in my life!"
It is a riot the acceptable contradictions that have made their way into this Hobby. We continue to lower the bar to make others feel comfortable or justified for their incorrect deviations. Does anyone else ever wonder why so many areas of our Hobby seem to digress?!

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You guys are funny. You might be surprised to see what I prefer. This is my build-for me. I would never actually OWN an OE car. Let the games begin...

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Bill, you can have shotgun if I can ride in the back. Heck, I'll take the trunk. Very cool.

Joe

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You have to think in the mind of a factory worker of that era. They did not give a sh** and wanted to just get the job done with a minimal amount of effort......Our cars are NOT OE anymore, that time has past. ....Sorry but these cars are a waste of money if you go for that gold OE resto crap instead of driving like it was built for.

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Hi Pat,
It is really neat that you have an older car for being a relatively young man. I am sure that you are just as sincere as the next guy but where did you come up with your information? Do you really think that NONE of the employees had a positive work ethic or that EVERY person working for Chrysler was determined to do the worst job they possibly could? You obviously have your opinion regarding these cars being "driven" but what about the guy who isn't worried about the monetary aspect? What about those who document and research them so the history and heritage of these cars are not forgotten? We don't live in the 1700's but I would guarantee that those who attended school HAD to take History courses which referenced that particular century. For what purpose? We no longer live in the 1700's! Why does it have to be one way or the highway in this Hobby?

Isn't the diversity the primary aspect that makes this Hobby interesting? I would think that this World would be a horribly boring place if everyone thought and acted exactly like I did. Going on Vacation (to a new Country for instance) is exciting because it gives one the opportunity to experience things beyond our normal everyday lives. You might believe that driving these old dinosaurs is the next best thing since sliced bread! I would MUCH rather climb behind the wheel of a new Viper, Z06 Corvette, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc.... but would never tell you that you are wrong for the way you feel! I appreciate the old cars because they WERE the preclude to the Super-cars that we drive today. Differing views should not make us enemies within the same automotive fraternity. While I don't necessarily like every vehicle on an equal basis, I have a respect and admiration for the entire automotive industry. Some people "hate" certain makes and models of cars. The fact is, that without the introduction of some of those "hated" cars, YOUR favorite model might never have come to fruition! Don't be too dismissive of the views and opinions of others. You will become a grouchy old man way before your time!

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If they were so positive about their work, then why would their be dripping spots of primer underneath the body of our cars, build sheets put wherever they wanted, or paint jobs that fall short of current standards of today? My point being is that they did not care. Just wanted to get the job done and earn their wage to support their families just like any person today wants to do.....Can't blame some of the other kids my age for driving ricers, cause all it does is piss the last generation off.

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Hold your horses there Pat! No one has blamed you or anyone else posting here. First of all the underside primer drips were due to the vehicles coming out of a Dip Tank, not sloppy employees. This process is STILL being done the exact same way today! Many of the broadcast sheets were left in an inconspicuous, out of the way place....not out in the open! You have to disassemble certain parts of a car just to find them. As far as the paint jobs "that fall short of current standards of today" you have to remember that they are no longer painted by factory employees. They are painted by computerized robotics that are consistent to the exact millimeter. Technology and time has allowed for the improvements. Would you criticize the advancement of modern day surgeries because 30 years ago they were archaic in comparison with today's technology? Gall bladder surgery used to lay you up for DAYS now it can be performed as an out patient procedure. The "old" procedures were NECESSARY for these advancements to take place.
Don't listen to anyone who gives you grief about your opinions as they relate to your era or interests. If you look at my original post, I commended you on your interest regarding these old cars! Enjoy this Hobby for what it means to you and have fun.

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Many don't know that there was a hugh migration of iliterate people from the south back in the 60s seeking the better paying union jobs in the auto plants. This along with people that just didn't care and the lack of factory QC, there are a lot of differences in these old cars when they were new. Sure, there were exceptions with people that did care but all of them had time limitations on an assembly line that did not stop.

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Many don't know that there was a hugh migration of iliterate people from the south back in the 60s seeking the better paying union jobs in the auto plants. This along with people that just didn't care and the lack of factory QC, there are a lot of differences in these old cars when they were new. Sure, there were exceptions with people that did care but all of them had time limitations on an assembly line that did not stop.

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