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Re: B1 Valve Gear Geometry ??? [Re: sg66mopar] #638097
03/14/10 12:54 PM
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Tom, Scott says they've been sending them out this way for years with no problems, .




Well then they should have no problem selling those valves to someone else.

If you say the only differance between the intake and exhaust length is .100" then I would judge by your pictures that you valve job is spot on.


They are probably doing this modification to give you a greater installed height so you can run more lift.

It would of been better to have the exhaust +.100 , and put a .100" shim under the rocker stands and call it macaroni.

Or maybe get the 5.40" intake and have the heads assembled in a few hours.



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Re: B1 Valve Gear Geometry ??? [Re: go green] #638098
03/14/10 02:14 PM
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OK Guys

I appreciate the input. I also want to say my intention here was just to get an idea if it would be safe to run the heads this way. If I went to the head builder and said "fix this" I'm sure they would.

All I want to do at this point is get it put together as cheaply and quickly as possible but so it'll live, and not miss any more of the season than I have to.

Re: B1 Valve Gear Geometry ??? [Re: sg66mopar] #638099
03/14/10 04:55 PM
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I also want to say my intention here was just to get an idea if it would be safe to run the heads this way.



No Sir, no way.

Re: B1 Valve Gear Geometry ??? [Re: HardcoreB] #638100
03/14/10 08:34 PM
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Nice Scott


Another happy customer


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Re: B1 Valve Gear Geometry ??? [Re: sg66mopar] #638101
03/14/10 11:49 PM
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Just for fun:
1. Changing the rocker height, stem height, lash cap etc. all change the geometry - they are not adjustments.
2. There is no "correct" valve length, only correct for a specific geo method (Miller, etc.), rocker ratio, and lobe height.
3. The position of the roller on the stem with correct geo only 1/32" from the edge will do less damage than centered by trashing the geo - which is what is advised several times here.

What to do:
STOP.
Set the geometry using the parts you have now.
Assuming mid-lift is your target, the roller should begin on the stem edge closest to the shaft side, roll across the stem to center @ 25% lift, continue across to 50% lift at the far side, stop, and reverse, passing through 75% on center and reaching full lift at the same position as closed.
If it does that, and the roller is too close to the near edge, you need to shorten both the stands and valves to separate them by the difference between the vertical stand position and stem axis. Too close to the far edge: raise both.


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Re: B1 Valve Gear Geometry ??? [Re: polyspheric] #638102
03/14/10 11:55 PM
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Re: B1 Valve Gear Geometry ??? [Re: polyspheric] #638103
03/15/10 07:59 PM
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FWIW, I pulled an intake valve spring and lowered the valve by the suggested .100" then ran the valve through a couple cycles with a dial indicator to keep track of things.

With the .100 lower valve tip starting point the roller to valve tip relationship stayed real close to what polyspheric says we want to see.

Re: B1 Valve Gear Geometry ??? [Re: sg66mopar] #638104
03/16/10 02:27 PM
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In case anybody missed my "update" here it is again.

Scott contacted me and Koffel's is having Manley make me the shorter intake valves that my motor "Guy" (inside joke ) wants.

Still hoping to salvage a little bit of this season!

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