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Re: Looking for a 4 speed?
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
#635584
03/10/10 03:48 PM
03/10/10 03:48 PM
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Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo
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If it's at 23 spline, just keep looking?.......
WHY?
Don't give the guy bad info. Nothing wrong with a 23 spline trans. Pleanty strong, cheap, and quiet.
Read my post, I never said there's anything wrong with a 23 spline trans, I say just pass on it because for the cost of converting a short tail 833 for a long tail you could just buy a long tail 833. I agree, 23 spline 833's are plenty strong and good transmissions, just I would not bother with converting one, a short tail 833 is worth more to an a-body guy who will use it how it was intended.
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dont confuze the 3 speed OD with the 23 or 18 spline 883 4-speeds
It will work also but has a diff ratio and gear spred
3rd is 1 to 1 and 4th is OD
its an alum case and iron tail shaft IIRC
come in car and trucks
It's not a 3 speed OD, it's just an 833 with a different gear set. It's got different gear ratios, which are in the tech archive. It's usually in an aluminum case with an iron tail, but I have heard of stock iron case OD 833's. If you deal with the aluminum case floating shaft issue and use the od gear for cruising only(no WOT shifts into 4th), it's basically as good as any other 23 spline trans. And technically, 3rd is overdrive and 4th is 1:1, so unless you flip the shift tab on the outside of the trans, 3rd and 4th gears switch spots on your shift pattern. Makes for a strange feeling shift, lol, but flip the shift tab and you get a normal feeling shift pattern.
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Re: Looking for a 4 speed?
[Re: Flatblack]
#635586
03/10/10 04:45 PM
03/10/10 04:45 PM
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Florida
scratchnfotraction
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Florida
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yes,manual tranny 4-speeds I dont get it..why would 3rd be over drive and 4th be 1 to 1 thats kinda weird to me,whats the point of 3rd being OD when you go to 4th at 1-1 and loose OD the whole point of a /6 gas mizer with the 833-OD was to use OD for mpgs...no? who wants to ride around in 3rd to have OD and a gear left  
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Re: Looking for a 4 speed?
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
#635588
03/10/10 05:22 PM
03/10/10 05:22 PM
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Posts: 3,358
Berwyn, IL
challenger70
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Berwyn, IL
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yes,manual tranny 4-speeds
I dont get it..why would 3rd be over drive and 4th be 1 to 1
on an o.d. 833, traditional 3rd gear is actually overdrive and traditional 4th is 1:1. so to make overdrive 4th it flips the 3-4 shift around. So 1-2 is the same as a regular 833 then 3 is actually 1:1 or 4th on a regular 833 and then "4th" is the overdriven what would traditionally be 3rd gear in a regular 833... hope that makes sense... 
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Re: Looking for a 4 speed?
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
#635589
03/10/10 05:30 PM
03/10/10 05:30 PM
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Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo
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yes,manual tranny 4-speeds
I dont get it..why would 3rd be over drive and 4th be 1 to 1
thats kinda weird to me,whats the point of 3rd being OD when you go to 4th at 1-1 and loose OD
the whole point of a /6 gas mizer with the 833-OD was to use OD for mpgs...no?
who wants to ride around in 3rd to have OD and a gear left
Because the shift pattern is different. Mopar put the overdrive gear where the 3rd gear was and left the "direct" 1:1 gear in the 4th position because it's a stronger location by design with 3rd gear being weakest in the trans by design, I think. The OD 833 is based on the 74-75 833. The 74-75 833 has ratios 3.09,1.92,1.40,1.00. The OD 833 has ratios 3.09,1.67,0.73,1.00. So they changed gears 2 and 3 and left 1 and 4 the same. So in a F-body or truck/van that came stock with an OD 833, you shift 1-2-4-3. It makes for a weird shift pattern. If you flip the shift lever on the trans case and tweak your shift rods a bit you can change the pattern so you shift it back to the conventional 1-2-3-4 H pattern. So with the OD trans, 3rd and 4th have exchanged positions inside the transmission, you just shift it to get the propper gear sequence. So on the highway the OD .73 gear is where 3rd was on the 'old' 833.
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Re: Looking for a 4 speed?
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
#635591
03/10/10 11:41 PM
03/10/10 11:41 PM
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St. John's Newfoundland
440newport
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So in a F-body or truck/van that came stock with an OD 833, you shift 1-2-4-3
You still shift them like a normal 4 speed. 1-2-3-4(OD). The 3/4 gear lever on a OD trans is upside down so that 3rd and 4th gears are switched on the shifter.
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Re: Looking for a 4 speed?
[Re: 440newport]
#635592
03/13/10 10:04 AM
03/13/10 10:04 AM
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Marilla, New York
RalleyA12
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Marilla, New York
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So in a F-body or truck/van that came stock with an OD 833, you shift 1-2-4-3
You still shift them like a normal 4 speed. 1-2-3-4(OD). The 3/4 gear lever on a OD trans is upside down so that 3rd and 4th gears are switched on the shifter.
 I agree
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