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Airgrabber screens are redish orange
Non Airgrabber is black..

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Airgrabber screens are redish orange
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any difference when it was a 383 or hemi
one red one orange ??

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So...is this correct then? Are you SURE the inserts shouldn't be painted a Red/Orange?

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I have a later January build date and the screens were red orange no hood treatment

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Nice car Eric! Looks great!

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The screens were redish orange. the solid inserts were black. Didn't matter what color the car was or if it had hood stripes. My first Road Runner was a 69 i bought in 73. Copper bronze with black hood stripes. It was an air grabber car. Screens were redish orange. Non air grabber cars did not have screens they had a solid insert with ribs.They are all black. Yes the redish inserts do look better but are not correct on non air grabber cars.

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I bought a new Q5 69 non airgrabber GTX and the metal ribs were black. I replaced them with dealer purchased screens to provide more fresh air under the hood and they were redish orange. The colour of the car was irrelevant.

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Nice car Eric! Looks great!

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Thanks JD! Factory X9, X9 with V21 and V7R. All numbers matching 4 speed 383 car, power steering, woodgrain wheel, rust free orig metal, orig window sticker, broadcast sheet and more! I started to think the Red hood inserts would look great with the Red pinstripe, Redline tires and Red drums if it was correct. I'll keep them Black like they are supposed to be! Thanks for all of the feedback!

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Here is a shot of the original Plymouth promotional literature dated 8/68. 69 Runner with air grabber and V21 hood treatment. Redish-orange vent screens.

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V21 with N96 means red screens. If you look at the A4 GTX on the page next to it, that hood looks like it has screens, not inserts, and they are black. Again, my Nov 68 production date Hemi came with no stripe treatment and black screens and the T3 scoops posted above are original...just saying that not all air grabber hoods had red screens.

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Nice car Eric! Looks great!

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Thanks JD! Factory X9, X9 with V21 and V7R. All numbers matching 4 speed 383 car, power steering, woodgrain wheel, rust free orig metal, orig window sticker, broadcast sheet and more! I started to think the Red hood inserts would look great with the Red pinstripe, Redline tires and Red drums if it was correct. I'll keep them Black like they are supposed to be! Thanks for all of the feedback!

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I think you had a good thought about the red inserts with the color combo. Here's a suggestion. Why not install red air grabber screens even though it's not an air grabber car? They would look great. You don't really have to worry about water getting in. That's what I did with my new Runner in 69 for 3 years and never had any "rain" problems and so did Moparcanuck with his Q5 Runner. Here's a picture of the one's I changed from black to red on the Hemi I used to have. They just look nice on the 69 hood!It's not like your car is going to sit outside in the weather and you have to worry about rain getting in the engine compartment. You can save the metal inserts. I used Weber Bar-B-Que grill paint from my local True Value hardware store and a satin clear coat and really liked the results. Your blackout treatment looks perfect! What paint was used?

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Thanks JD! Factory X9, X9 with V21 and V7R. All numbers matching 4 speed 383 car, power steering, woodgrain wheel, rust free orig metal, orig window sticker, broadcast sheet and more! I started to think the Red hood inserts would look great with the Red pinstripe, Redline tires and Red drums if it was correct. I'll keep them Black like they are supposed to be! Thanks for all of the feedback!

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I think you had a good thought about the red inserts with the color combo. Here's a suggestion. Why not install red air grabber screens even though it's not an air grabber car? They would look great. You don't really have to worry about water getting in. That's what I did with my new Runner in 69 for 3 years and never had any "rain" problems and so did Moparcanuck with his Q5 Runner. Here's a picture of the one's I changed from black to red on the Hemi I used to have. They just look nice on the 69 hood!It's not like your car is going to sit outside in the weather and you have to worry about rain getting in the engine compartment. You can save the metal inserts. I used Weber Bar-B-Que grill paint from my local True Value hardware store and a satin clear coat and really liked the results. Your blackout treatment looks perfect! What paint was used?

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I use the satin trim black from SEM.

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No air grabber has black inserts. Color is spanish gold forget the code number. This one is an air grabber car

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Y4 is the code for Spanish Gold Metallic. Which car are we saying is Y4? That's some awful bad lighting if the photo three posts up is supposed to be Y4, don't ask me how I know...


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No air grabber has black inserts. Color is spanish gold forget the code number. This one is an air grabber car

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Doug, you are making a statement that your only proof is what you think you know. I've made the same mistake in the past but I have the proof right here. These were not the only ones. You have to believe these are original and the screens have never been dismounted. You cannot see the telltale screw drive marks from loosening a screw. The rust is undisturbed. I've had these since the 70's. My St. Louis built Hemi car had the black ones as well. Honest!

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Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?

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Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?

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Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.


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Thanks for the info!

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Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?

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Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.


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Thanks for the info!

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I would say that no one added them, most if not all were re-painted red by the owners or someone that liked the "fire breathing red" look of the red-orange in what is supposed to be hood scoops or fresh air intakes on a performance hood, just like my friend did to his formerly black blocked off NON-Air Grabber hood '69 GTX. They were black and this "was" a survivor just before he had it re-painted and had them painted red-orange

BLACK for NON-Air Grabber, no question about it IMO.

This photo is wrong, they were and should have remained the original BLACK color/colour


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You said most if not all. Does that mean some block off plates were painted Red at the factory?

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Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.


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Thanks for the info!

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The Black hood performance paint was added to your car too. Does it still have the V7R Red accent stripes?

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Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.


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Thanks for the info!

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The Black hood performance paint was added to your car too. Does it still have the V7R Red accent stripes?

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Yes on the V7R stripe.

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A lot of sreens replaced the block off plates (by owners) to let some heat out from under the hood- which was very common back then.
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I would say that no one added them, most if not all were re-painted red by the owners or someone that liked the "fire breathing red" look of the red-orange in what is supposed to be hood scoops or fresh air intakes on a performance hood, just like my friend did to his formerly black blocked off NON-Air Grabber hood '69 GTX. They were black and this "was" a survivor just before he had it re-painted and had them painted red-orange

BLACK for NON-Air Grabber, no question about it IMO.

This photo is wrong, they were and should have remained the original BLACK color/colour


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You said most if not all. Does that mean some block off plates were painted Red at the factory?

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I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.

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You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car. My Hemi car had the black screens and I think the retainers were angles on that one? When I restored my Hemi car, I consulted with Roger Gibson because I had the same question about color. My understanding is that many early cars had black screens. Mine was Nov 7. No matter what the difference in configuration, these screens are original and they are black and they came off of a painted hood car with no stripes. That's a fact but it really doesn't matter. If you have a rare car and need to prove it, you should have photo documentation of the resto but if you just go red, nobody will question the color of the screens.... but this thread was really about the color of solid inserts.

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You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car.

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You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car.

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A: I'm not that pumped up about it. I just don't think those pics are of "correct" parts.
B: The block off plates are thinner than screens and the channel, for sure, and use the longer brackets (which are straight).
C: Those two flat bars I have never seen that style ever. Channel should be an "L" shape. Look at the pic of the red screens.
D: You personally taking these off a car, in the '70's, does not mean they were not changed. You can't go by what screws look like 35 years later, sorry. That setup could have been changed a few months after owning, just like adding mag wheels.
E: I can't always buy into the "never say never" logic to justify things found 40 years later on a car, that were probably changed at one point. Guys modified their cars, they raced them, personalized them, showed them off, thats what was done to these cars. There were plenty of these cars starting to end up in junkyards, so you could easily add an air grabber off a wrecked car and paint the screens black to make it look like your "stock" hood, but show your buddies your trick air grabber parts you added. Thats more plausible than anything! Think outside the restoration "box". I'm not trying to offend anyone, just making some valid points.

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For what it's worth, I have a red hood with black screens (no stripes) that I believe to be original. No trace of red on screens even where paint is chipped...

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Another picture taken in about 1980...

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Wow this thread is getting to be almost as much fun as the wingnut thread of years ago...

...there were some AG's with black grilles but don't let me stop this thread, I really like some of the old back in the day photos that are showing up

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Just found a photo of Joe Oldham & a '69 Hemi RR in Mopar Action where they reviewed his book.
Photo shows the R6 Hemi RR "press car", which would include the Air Grabber; no hood stripes, but the screens are clearly black.
This was a pretty early car, as magazine articles showing it came out early in the model year.
The photo I'm referring to shows Joe, the RR, a Bee, a Mach1, and a GTO.
While it's entirely likely that the drivetrain was "rubbed on", I wouldn't think they'd change the screens; although with that sid, reddish-orange screens would look terrible next to the darkish R6 Scorch Red.

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I'd say it's a "back in the day" photo, unless Joe made a deal with the Devil and hasn't aged in 41 years.

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Mopar Action, Oct 2007 issue, page 82; someone should be able to scan their issue.

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I still think it was an early production thing. Mine was Nov 7. It was Y2. Black looked OK but the red looked better. I changed over to red screens when I restored it. I had an April 69 RM21J that was B5 with red screens without stripes. It was on the Oct 1992 Mopar Action cover.

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That's the photo I was referring to, and I think it's obvious now that some early AG cars came with black screens.
Either that or some guys on Day 2 painted them, but that would be a lot of work to make them look as-delivered. That's simple enough to check, just look for orange under the black.

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For what it's worth, I have a red hood with black screens (no stripes) that I believe to be original. No trace of red on screens even where paint is chipped...

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The comments about my black screens are kind of funny. I salvaged the air grabber off of a wrecked car that had the original rivets holding it in place. I just saved the scoops with the screens for posterity. The screws never had a screw driver in them since the original assembly and the flat bars are original. They probably had an engineering change to the angle retainers after they started production in 69? I also had a yellow hood with black screens. Just curious but what is the SPD production date on your fender tag?

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That's the photo I was referring to, and I think it's obvious now that some early AG cars came with black screens.
Either that or some guys on Day 2 painted them, but that would be a lot of work to make them look as-delivered. That's simple enough to check, just look for orange under the black.

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All '69 plymouth hemi RR's had the air grabber, did they not? That was certainly the case with Hemi Superbees and the (optional for all non-hemis) Ramcharger set up.

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That's the photo I was referring to, and I think it's obvious now that some early AG cars came with black screens.
Either that or some guys on Day 2 painted them, but that would be a lot of work to make them look as-delivered. That's simple enough to check, just look for orange under the black.

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All '69 plymouth hemi RR's had the air grabber, did they not? That was certainly the case with Hemi Superbees and the (optional for all non-hemis) Ramcharger set up.

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Yep, all 1969 Hemi Road Runners & Hemi GTXs came with the Air Grabber hood... o'course that will probably be argued about too...

I have yet to see any real evidence of early production cars with red screens (back-in-the-day photos, survivor cars, etc)... especially early St Louis cars.

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No fresh air screens on that one, solid vents are always black.
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