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69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange?
Posted By: MuscleMopars
69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 02/27/10 05:39 AM
I'm trying to remember what the color of the hood scoop vent covers or screens are supposed to be on the '69 Road Runner hood. Is it different with the V21 Black performance hood treatment? Is it different with air grabber? I've seen Black, Red and Orange. Which is correct?
Orange?
Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 02/27/10 05:43 AM
Black?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 02/27/10 05:48 AM
Airgrabber screens are redish orange
Non Airgrabber is black..
Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 02/27/10 05:54 AM
Red?
Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 02/27/10 05:56 AM
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Airgrabber screens are redish orange
Non Airgrabber is black..
I've heard that with the V21 option they are not Black, even the non air grabber.
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 02/27/10 06:11 AM
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Airgrabber screens are redish orange
Non Airgrabber is black..
That's correct regardless of hood treatment.
Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 02/27/10 12:02 PM
So...is this correct then? Are you SURE the inserts shouldn't be painted a Red/Orange?
Posted By: Dougsmopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 02/27/10 01:34 PM
Only air grabber screens were the redish orange. All non air grabber inserts were black even with the hood stripes. Yes that pic is correct.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/27/10 02:27 PM
Looks like a lot of speculation here? Here's my take on it from my experience. All metal inserts are black, all air grabber screens on hoods with the black hood stripes are red and air grabber screens on body color painted hoods are black. There is some possibility that later production air grabber cars all had the red screens but I never verified that. I had a Hemi RM27J car with out the black stripes and the original screens were black. It was a Nov 68 SPD. I painted them red because I liked the look of the red screens better on the Y2 hood. I bought a set of replacement screens new from the dealer in 69 to replace my metal inserts and they came red in the box. I don't know if I could have ordered a different p/n to get black but I don't think so. I have a set of T3 383 scoops with the original screens under my bench and the screens are black. I do not know what SPD for that car. I hsd a frat brother with the a new RM23H and the ralley hood treatment with air grabber in 69 and the screens were red. The factory promotional literature shows red screens on an air grabber car with the black hood treatment. Definitely no red metal (non- airgrabber) inserts of any kind are original. The solid metal inserts are always black.
Posted By: Dougsmopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/27/10 02:53 PM
The screens were redish orange. the solid inserts were black. Didn't matter what color the car was or if it had hood stripes. My first Road Runner was a 69 i bought in 73. Copper bronze with black hood stripes. It was an air grabber car. Screens were redish orange. Non air grabber cars did not have screens they had a solid insert with ribs.They are all black. Yes the redish inserts do look better but are not correct on non air grabber cars.
Posted By: mopargem
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/27/10 06:20 PM
This comes up every now and then, heres the last thread...
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post4830203
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/27/10 06:40 PM
Agreed except aie grabber screens on air grabber cars with no black hood treatment are black. The red screens I mentioned that I bought new from the dealer in1969 were to put in place of my black metal inserts on a non- airfrabber hood. I did it for the looks and to let out heat from my engine compartment. They came red with little red retainer angles but all the original painted hoods with air grabber that I know of came with black screens. There is some sentiment that all later production cars with sir geabbers came with red screens whether they had the hood treatment or not. I don't think there is any proof but I don't know for sure?
Posted By: Dougsmopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/27/10 07:15 PM
It is very possible that very early build cars had black screens. I have never seen one in person. Every air grabber car i've owned since my first in 72 or 73 had red screens with or with out hood stripes. Perhaps only those from one plant had black screens???? Mopar did do some strange things back then.
Posted By: 69hemibeep
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/27/10 07:54 PM
I have a later January build date and the screens were red orange no hood treatment
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Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/27/10 09:56 PM
I always thought the air grabber grilles were redish orange regardless of hood stripes. I ordered the air grabber option on my first car back in the Spring of 1969 on my road runner and they were redish orange but I did get the hood stripes. The "Carb Air" knob under the dash was orange and I swear the "orange" was the theme for the fresh air systems on ALL of the Mopars back then. I think there was even an ad or brochure statement making note of the orange grilles on the fresh air system. Are there other fresh air systems for Mopar that used the color orange for decals or info or was it just on the B-bodies in '69/'70?
MikeR
Posted By: Day2Runner
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/27/10 10:47 PM
any difference when it was a 383 or hemi
one red one orange ??
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 12:45 AM
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any difference when it was a 383 or hemi
one red one orange ??
No different....except for the Hemi emblem. They were either red or black, not orange.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 01:05 AM
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So...is this correct then? Are you SURE the inserts shouldn't be painted a Red/Orange?
Nice car Eric! Looks great!
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 02:23 AM
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I have a later January build date and the screens were red orange no hood treatment
Here's some that I took off of a car in the 70's. My Nov 68 build date Hemi had black screens with no hood stripes. Maybe Jan 69 they started making them all red?
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Posted By: mopargem
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 03:25 AM
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Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 04:44 AM
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So...is this correct then? Are you SURE the inserts shouldn't be painted a Red/Orange?
Nice car Eric! Looks great!
Thanks JD! Factory X9, X9 with V21 and V7R. All numbers matching 4 speed 383 car, power steering, woodgrain wheel, rust free orig metal, orig window sticker, broadcast sheet and more! I started to think the Red hood inserts would look great with the Red pinstripe, Redline tires and Red drums if it was correct. I'll keep them Black like they are supposed to be! Thanks for all of the feedback!
Posted By: moparcanuk
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 02:50 PM
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The screens were redish orange. the solid inserts were black. Didn't matter what color the car was or if it had hood stripes. My first Road Runner was a 69 i bought in 73. Copper bronze with black hood stripes. It was an air grabber car. Screens were redish orange. Non air grabber cars did not have screens they had a solid insert with ribs.They are all black. Yes the redish inserts do look better but are not correct on non air grabber cars.
I bought a new Q5 69 non airgrabber GTX and the metal ribs were black. I replaced them with dealer purchased screens to provide more fresh air under the hood and they were redish orange. The colour of the car was irrelevant.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 04:45 PM
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So...is this correct then? Are you SURE the inserts shouldn't be painted a Red/Orange?
Nice car Eric! Looks great!
Thanks JD! Factory X9, X9 with V21 and V7R. All numbers matching 4 speed 383 car, power steering, woodgrain wheel, rust free orig metal, orig window sticker, broadcast sheet and more! I started to think the Red hood inserts would look great with the Red pinstripe, Redline tires and Red drums if it was correct. I'll keep them Black like they are supposed to be! Thanks for all of the feedback!
I think you had a good thought about the red inserts with the color combo. Here's a suggestion. Why not install red air grabber screens even though it's not an air grabber car? They would look great. You don't really have to worry about water getting in. That's what I did with my new Runner in 69 for 3 years and never had any "rain" problems and so did Moparcanuck with his Q5 Runner. Here's a picture of the one's I changed from black to red on the Hemi I used to have. They just look nice on the 69 hood!It's not like your car is going to sit outside in the weather and you have to worry about rain getting in the engine compartment. You can save the metal inserts. I used Weber Bar-B-Que grill paint from my local True Value hardware store and a satin clear coat and really liked the results. Your blackout treatment looks perfect! What paint was used?
Posted By: 6T9Hemi
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 04:53 PM
Here is a shot of the original Plymouth promotional literature dated 8/68. 69 Runner with air grabber and V21 hood treatment. Redish-orange vent screens.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 06:39 PM
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Here is a shot of the original Plymouth promotional literature dated 8/68. 69 Runner with air grabber and V21 hood treatment. Redish-orange vent screens.
V21 with N96 means red screens. If you look at the A4 GTX on the page next to it, that hood looks like it has screens, not inserts, and they are black. Again, my Nov 68 production date Hemi came with no stripe treatment and black screens and the T3 scoops posted above are original...just saying that not all air grabber hoods had red screens.
Posted By: 474218
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 10:10 PM
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So...is this correct then? Are you SURE the inserts shouldn't be painted a Red/Orange?
Nice car Eric! Looks great!
Thanks JD! Factory X9, X9 with V21 and V7R. All numbers matching 4 speed 383 car, power steering, woodgrain wheel, rust free orig metal, orig window sticker, broadcast sheet and more! I started to think the Red hood inserts would look great with the Red pinstripe, Redline tires and Red drums if it was correct. I'll keep them Black like they are supposed to be! Thanks for all of the feedback!
I think you had a good thought about the red inserts with the color combo. Here's a suggestion. Why not install red air grabber screens even though it's not an air grabber car? They would look great. You don't really have to worry about water getting in. That's what I did with my new Runner in 69 for 3 years and never had any "rain" problems and so did Moparcanuck with his Q5 Runner. Here's a picture of the one's I changed from black to red on the Hemi I used to have. They just look nice on the 69 hood!It's not like your car is going to sit outside in the weather and you have to worry about rain getting in the engine compartment. You can save the metal inserts. I used Weber Bar-B-Que grill paint from my local True Value hardware store and a satin clear coat and really liked the results. Your blackout treatment looks perfect! What paint was used?
I am getting confused: All 69 Hemi RR's and GTX's came with "Air Grabber" so why would the solid black rib vents have been installed on the Hemi car "you use to have"?
I am old enough to have bought a new 69 RR in April of 1969. I must have looked at close to a thousand different RR's before ordering mine and I have never saw an "Air Grabber" equipped RR or GTX with anything but the red/orange screens.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 10:28 PM
My 69 Y2 Hemi without the V21 black hood stripes had black screens, not solid inserts. It was a Nov 68 production date car. When I restored it, I painted the screens red because I liked the red better. All 1969 383, 440 and 426 air grabber Road Runner and GTX cars with the V21 black hood treatment had red screens but not all air grabber cars had red screens if they did not have the V21 hood treatment. Apparently the blue January production one above had the red screens. It seems that earlier production air grabber cars had black screens if no V21 hood treatment...
Posted By: Dougsmopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 02/28/10 11:38 PM
I'm with you. I'm 53 and never ever saw an air grabber car with black screens no matter if it had hood stripes or not. Sounds to me like somebody bought that one new and painted them black back in 69. Or there was a few factory built with bad screens. Even all the sales lit i've seen shows the screens red on air grabber cars even with out hood stripes.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/01/10 12:29 AM
I'm a little older. You were probably in 5th grade when I bought a new 69 RR. I wish I could have afforded the N96 option back then. Anyhow, I think you will discover that screens on early built cars without hood stripe treatment were black. It's not that easy to take the air grabber off just to paint the screens! My Hemi car was an RM27J. It had never been repainted and needed a total resto. These screens came off a 383 parts car. I can assure you they are not repainted black. Never say never with these cars.
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/01/10 02:04 PM
I would like to see another pic of the black air grabber screens. I would like to see the bottom hood insert (in picture) rotated 180 and a close up pic of the brackets held down by the screws, (the tall ones). Also the end brackets.
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/01/10 02:13 PM
Actually, that looks like the tall brackets showing, and I believe those screens were added to the inserts shown in the pic. All of the original hood inserts I have seen had different style brackets holding in the "L" channel and the screens in the insert. The screens and the "L" are a different height than the non-air block off plate. The air grabber brackets that held the screens in had a bend in the middle of the bracket. Back in the day, a lot of these screens replaced the block off plates just to help vent heat out from under the hood.
Posted By: B5 Bee
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 03/01/10 04:21 PM
A bit OT, were there 2 vendors for the screens? Most St Louis built cars seem the have a different screen than the ones used at Lynch Rd.
Posted By: 69hemibeep
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 03/01/10 04:56 PM
This is an interesting subject! The original owner of my car had Maaco shoot the hole car silver including the emblems and nothing was taken apart. Here is a series of pics of the tag hood and bottom of the screen. Also note the tune spec sticker which was also on the inner fender, like said above never say never.
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Posted By: 69hemibeep
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 03/01/10 04:57 PM
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Posted By: Dougsmopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 03/01/10 10:51 PM
Those are the rails and brackets i've allways seen on the air grabber inserts.
Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/01/10 11:25 PM
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So...is this correct then? Are you SURE the inserts shouldn't be painted a Red/Orange?
Nice car Eric! Looks great!
Thanks JD! Factory X9, X9 with V21 and V7R. All numbers matching 4 speed 383 car, power steering, woodgrain wheel, rust free orig metal, orig window sticker, broadcast sheet and more! I started to think the Red hood inserts would look great with the Red pinstripe, Redline tires and Red drums if it was correct. I'll keep them Black like they are supposed to be! Thanks for all of the feedback!
I think you had a good thought about the red inserts with the color combo. Here's a suggestion. Why not install red air grabber screens even though it's not an air grabber car? They would look great. You don't really have to worry about water getting in. That's what I did with my new Runner in 69 for 3 years and never had any "rain" problems and so did Moparcanuck with his Q5 Runner. Here's a picture of the one's I changed from black to red on the Hemi I used to have. They just look nice on the 69 hood!It's not like your car is going to sit outside in the weather and you have to worry about rain getting in the engine compartment. You can save the metal inserts. I used Weber Bar-B-Que grill paint from my local True Value hardware store and a satin clear coat and really liked the results. Your blackout treatment looks perfect! What paint was used?
My blackout treatment was already done when I got the car. The picture does look good but in person I would say it is a little too smooth. Easier to clean though!
Posted By: Dougsmopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/02/10 01:53 AM
I use the satin trim black from SEM.
Posted By: WannaRunner
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/02/10 04:16 AM
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I use the satin trim black from SEM.
Hey thats my car! is that T3? I have a survivor and it has the red block outs, is that correct? it did not come with air grabber and is a St. Louie car.
Posted By: Dougsmopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/02/10 10:06 PM
No air grabber has black inserts. Color is spanish gold forget the code number. This one is an air grabber car
Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/02/10 11:12 PM
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No air grabber has black inserts. Color is spanish gold forget the code number. This one is an air grabber car
Y4 is the code for Spanish Gold Metallic. Which car are we saying is Y4? That's some awful bad lighting if the photo three posts up is supposed to be Y4, don't ask me how I know... 
MikeR
Posted By: mopargem
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 02:12 AM
That cant be Y4
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 04:22 AM
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No air grabber has black inserts. Color is spanish gold forget the code number. This one is an air grabber car
Doug, you are making a statement that your only proof is what you think you know. I've made the same mistake in the past but I have the proof right here. These were not the only ones. You have to believe these are original and the screens have never been dismounted. You cannot see the telltale screw drive marks from loosening a screw. The rust is undisturbed. I've had these since the 70's. My St. Louis built Hemi car had the black ones as well. Honest! 
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Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 04:24 AM
Here's another
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Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 04:28 AM
Last one...I would have painted them red if I ever bought another 383 Road Runner to put them on
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Posted By: WannaRunner
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 08:16 AM
Mine is T3, about 40% of the original paint is still on the car, the front of the hood is thread bare from 40+ yrs of opening the hood. I think it adds character.
Posted By: WannaRunner
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 08:20 AM
Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?
Posted By: WannaRunner
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 08:29 AM
I believe Dougs car has a fresh coat of T3, Light Bronze. If I remember correctly,like the B3, B5, B7 Blues,(going from light to dark) the Bronzes came in T3, T5 and T7. light to darker.....
Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 08:59 AM
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Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?
Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.
MikeR
Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 09:09 AM
I would say that no one added them, most if not all were re-painted red by the owners or someone that liked the "fire breathing red" look of the red-orange in what is supposed to be hood scoops or fresh air intakes on a performance hood, just like my friend did to his formerly black blocked off NON-Air Grabber hood '69 GTX. They were black and this "was" a survivor just before he had it re-painted and had them painted red-orange
BLACK for NON-Air Grabber, no question about it IMO.
This photo is wrong, they were and should have remained the original BLACK color/colour
MikeR
Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 09:18 AM
Here we go an example how things change by owner's. This first photo in a Non-Air Grabber '69 (Y4 SGM
) GTX back or around 2000/2001 at a car dealer and for sale with the correct Non-Air Grabber black block-outs;
Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 09:22 AM
and now the SAME car two owners later with the block-outs painted red by the person that bought it from that show room and then my friend re-painting the car and keeping them red too even after he asked me what color I thought they should be
I told him black and showed him this old photo but he didn't like them black
Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 09:30 AM
The GTX in 2003 about two or three years after it was bought from the car dealer in the first photo with the block-outs painted red.
MikeR
Posted By: WannaRunner
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 01:35 PM
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Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?
Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.
MikeR
Thanks for the info! 
Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 02:25 PM
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Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?
Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.
MikeR
Thanks for the info!
The Black hood performance paint was added to your car too. Does it still have the V7R Red accent stripes?
Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 02:33 PM
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I would say that no one added them, most if not all were re-painted red by the owners or someone that liked the "fire breathing red" look of the red-orange in what is supposed to be hood scoops or fresh air intakes on a performance hood, just like my friend did to his formerly black blocked off NON-Air Grabber hood '69 GTX. They were black and this "was" a survivor just before he had it re-painted and had them painted red-orange
BLACK for NON-Air Grabber, no question about it IMO.
This photo is wrong, they were and should have remained the original BLACK color/colour
MikeR
You said most if not all. Does that mean some block off plates were painted Red at the factory? 
Posted By: WannaRunner
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 02:39 PM
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Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?
Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.
MikeR
Thanks for the info!
The Black hood performance paint was added to your car too. Does it still have the V7R Red accent stripes?
Yes on the V7R stripe.
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 02:51 PM
Notice that the "black" screen is held in with the wrong style bracket. It's too long and is bent under the screw head. That is because this bracket is used for the block off plate which is thinner than the screen and L channel.
Posted By: MuscleMopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 02:53 PM
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Here is my question, I have a non air-grabber, ST. Louie car, when I bought the car 3 years ago, it came with solid red/orange block outs on the hood, is this original? or did someone add them at some point?
Okay that's the easiest question to answer in this "debate": NON-Air Grabber, solid, block-outs were BLACK regardless of assembly plant.
MikeR
Thanks for the info!
The Black hood performance paint was added to your car too. Does it still have the V7R Red accent stripes?
Yes on the V7R stripe.
Nice! My Black RR has the V7R stripe option too.
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 02:53 PM
This is the correct style bracket to hold screen and channel in. They are COMPLETELY different that the ones that hold in the block off plates! I say those black screens were added at some point in time, for sure.
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 02:58 PM
A lot of sreens replaced the block off plates (by owners) to let some heat out from under the hood- which was very common back then.
Screens= red
Block off= black
Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 03:23 PM
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A lot of sreens replaced the block off plates (by owners) to let some heat out from under the hood- which was very common back then.
Screens= red
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Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 03:31 PM
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I would say that no one added them, most if not all were re-painted red by the owners or someone that liked the "fire breathing red" look of the red-orange in what is supposed to be hood scoops or fresh air intakes on a performance hood, just like my friend did to his formerly black blocked off NON-Air Grabber hood '69 GTX. They were black and this "was" a survivor just before he had it re-painted and had them painted red-orange
BLACK for NON-Air Grabber, no question about it IMO.
This photo is wrong, they were and should have remained the original BLACK color/colour
MikeR
You said most if not all. Does that mean some block off plates were painted Red at the factory?
What I was trying to say was; because the block off plates were always BLACK you couldn't buy a set of red block off plates, at least O.E.M., so they were usually PAINTED red by either the owner or by someone for the owner. There are no O.E.M RED block off plates, never were, ever......
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 03:34 PM
I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.
Posted By: topside
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 05:15 PM
My otherwise dead-original hood-stripe non-AG '69 RR came with black block-offs; I swapped in some spare red-orange screens and the thing did run a bit cooler. My Q5 no-stripe AG '69 RR, also an original-everything car when I got it, had the red-orange screens. Both St.Louis cars, both mid-model-run, the AG car April IIRC. I was around these cars when they were new, and though I've never seen original AG screens in black, if the car was loaded on the transporter at the factory that way, that settles it. Anything else is open to argument.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 08:36 PM
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I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.
You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car. My Hemi car had the black screens and I think the retainers were angles on that one? When I restored my Hemi car, I consulted with Roger Gibson because I had the same question about color. My understanding is that many early cars had black screens. Mine was Nov 7. No matter what the difference in configuration, these screens are original and they are black and they came off of a painted hood car with no stripes. That's a fact but it really doesn't matter. If you have a rare car and need to prove it, you should have photo documentation of the resto but if you just go red, nobody will question the color of the screens.... but this thread was really about the color of solid inserts. 
Posted By: Dougsmopars
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/03/10 09:38 PM
I Black screen air grabber cars but i have never seen one. I also said all non air grabber cars were black inserts. I'm only stateing that i personaly have never seen black air grabber inserts that were black. Mother Mopar did plenty of stupid things back then. Anything was possible.wish people would read the whole reply before they strat ragging on someone. I said it is very possible there were
Posted By: gtx-guy
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 03/04/10 01:58 AM
I bought a brand new 69 runner in oct of 68, it had the air grabber hood, along with the v21 hood stripes. The screens were black.
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/04/10 12:36 PM
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I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.
You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car.
A: I'm not that pumped up about it. I just don't think those pics are of "correct" parts.
B: The block off plates are thinner than screens and the channel, for sure, and use the longer brackets (which are straight).
C: Those two flat bars I have never seen that style ever. Channel should be an "L" shape. Look at the pic of the red screens.
D: You personally taking these off a car, in the '70's, does not mean they were not changed. You can't go by what screws look like 35 years later, sorry. That setup could have been changed a few months after owning, just like adding mag wheels.
E: I can't always buy into the "never say never" logic to justify things found 40 years later on a car, that were probably changed at one point. Guys modified their cars, they raced them, personalized them, showed them off, thats what was done to these cars. There were plenty of these cars starting to end up in junkyards, so you could easily add an air grabber off a wrecked car and paint the screens black to make it look like your "stock" hood, but show your buddies your trick air grabber parts you added. Thats more plausible than anything! Think outside the restoration "box". I'm not trying to offend anyone, just making some valid points.
Posted By: Sssnake383
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/04/10 05:01 PM
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I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.
You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car.
A: I'm not that pumped up about it. I just don't think those pics are of "correct" parts.
B: The block off plates are thinner than screens and the channel, for sure, and use the longer brackets (which are straight).
C: Those two flat bars I have never seen that style ever. Channel should be an "L" shape. Look at the pic of the red screens.
D: You personally taking these off a car, in the '70's, does not mean they were not changed. You can't go by what screws look like 35 years later, sorry. That setup could have been changed a few months after owning, just like adding mag wheels.
E: I can't always buy into the "never say never" logic to justify things found 40 years later on a car, that were probably changed at one point. Guys modified their cars, they raced them, personalized them, showed them off, thats what was done to these cars. There were plenty of these cars starting to end up in junkyards, so you could easily add an air grabber off a wrecked car and paint the screens black to make it look like your "stock" hood, but show your buddies your trick air grabber parts you added. Thats more plausible than anything! Think outside the restoration "box". I'm not trying to offend anyone, just making some valid points.
+1, unless roadrunnerJD took delivery of the car when new and documented the black screens, it's all open to interpretation. FWIW, Bull1t is correct about the clips.
Posted By: topside
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/04/10 07:53 PM
Here's one for you: my Q5 Air-Grabber Roadrunner (that I referred to previously) came with 2 screens in each opening, doubled up. That one never made any sense to me. I publicly confess that when I reassembled the car after resstoring it I installed only 1 screen per opening. The rails, brackets, and correct screws were all present.
Posted By: Scatransit
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 03/04/10 08:07 PM
Eric, you have certainly had some nice b-bodys over the years - I almost bought the orange 'Runner from you a few years back...I too have wondered the correct answer to this question...I think that in very general terms it would be accepted to have red (orange, or whatever) with N96, and black with the block offs...We all know that things ususally started one way during early production, and then as the model year progressed, changes occured...the Road Runner horn color comes to mind among other things...As always, nice cars!
Posted By: Cuda_Mike
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 03/05/10 04:48 PM
For what it's worth, I have a red hood with black screens (no stripes) that I believe to be original. No trace of red on screens even where paint is chipped. I also had a hood with double screens, they were red.
Posted By: 3BIRDS1X
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? - 03/05/10 06:53 PM
Screens R4 red
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 12:03 AM
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For what it's worth, I have a red hood with black screens (no stripes) that I believe to be original. No trace of red on screens even where paint is chipped...
The comments about my black screens are kind of funny. I salvaged the air grabber off of a wrecked car that had the original rivets holding it in place. I just saved the scoops with the screens for posterity. The screws never had a screw driver in them since the original assembly and the flat bars are original. They probably had an engineering change to the angle retainers after they started production in 69? I also had a yellow hood with black screens. Just curious but what is the SPD production date on your fender tag?
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 01:52 AM
Attached is a scan of a Polariod picture taken in 1976 when I bought my Road Runner with about 28,000 miles on the odometer... black, with no sign of red. They are red now though... painted them in the early 1980s.
My RR is a St Louis built car with a SPD of "A15"... October 15, 1968.
XS
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 02:10 AM
Another picture taken in about 1980...
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 03:13 AM
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Wow! Thanks for posting. Now that will cause a stir! Even I was certain that the black hood treatment meant red screens. I believe they could have done it differently in St. Louis than Lynch Road? I don't know which plant my light bronze scoops came from but my yellow, no stripes hood Hemi car was St. Louis built, Nov 7 and had black screens. what about the retainers? Have you ever seen just the flat bars instead of the angles?
Posted By: topside
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 03:52 AM
Ever notice that the screens are slightly flatter on one side than the other? Which side was up on your cars? Mine was the rounder side up, red-orange, mid-year StLouis A/G no hood-stripe original car.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 03:55 AM
I agree. I remember doing the top side with the more rounded finished look. I'd have to go look at my black ones but I'm sure they have a flatter side to them.
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 04:27 AM
A later built St Louis Hemi RR... SPD "121"... January 21, 1969... no hood stripes, with red screens
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 04:33 AM
My guess is that it was a styling change after production started...
Posted By: A12
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 05:03 AM
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 02:22 PM
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Wow this thread is getting to be almost as much fun as the wingnut thread of years ago...
...there were some AG's with black grilles but don't let me stop this thread, I really like some of the old back in the day photos that are showing up
There is no doubt in my mind that my RR left the factory with black Airgrabber screens... I remember looking for traces of red and finding none. Here is another back-in-the-day picture...
Allen
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/06/10 02:26 PM
The day in the early 1980s that I painted the screens red (orange-red)...
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/07/10 12:02 AM
Any other inputs of SPD vs. Black or Red screens?... or back-in-the-day pictures?
There were a number of mid-year changes in that time period for technical reasons (carbs), safety reasons (head rests), and appearance reasons (door handle buttons). For example, my Charger 500 had a SPD of "C04" (December 4, 1968) and came with black door handle buttons... while my Daytona with a SPD of "427" (April 27, 1969) came with chrome door handle buttons. I believe the change-over occured in early January...
Allen
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/07/10 03:28 AM
Here is the hood on an original paint 1969 GTX that I have known since 1973... picture was taken in 1982. Not sure what the SPD was...
Posted By: topside
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/10/10 09:05 PM
Just found a photo of Joe Oldham & a '69 Hemi RR in Mopar Action where they reviewed his book.
Photo shows the R6 Hemi RR "press car", which would include the Air Grabber; no hood stripes, but the screens are clearly black.
This was a pretty early car, as magazine articles showing it came out early in the model year.
The photo I'm referring to shows Joe, the RR, a Bee, a Mach1, and a GTO.
While it's entirely likely that the drivetrain was "rubbed on", I wouldn't think they'd change the screens; although with that sid, reddish-orange screens would look terrible next to the darkish R6 Scorch Red.
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/11/10 12:36 PM
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Just found a photo of Joe Oldham & a '69 Hemi RR in Mopar Action where they reviewed his book.
Photo shows the R6 Hemi RR "press car", which would include the Air Grabber; no hood stripes, but the screens are clearly black.
This was a pretty early car, as magazine articles showing it came out early in the model year.
The photo I'm referring to shows Joe, the RR, a Bee, a Mach1, and a GTO.
While it's entirely likely that the drivetrain was "rubbed on", I wouldn't think they'd change the screens; although with that sid, reddish-orange screens would look terrible next to the darkish R6 Scorch Red.
Thanks for the info! Was it a "back-in-the-day" photo or a more recent one? It would be great if someone has a copy they can scan in and post here... Thanks!
Allen
Posted By: topside
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/11/10 03:53 PM
I'd say it's a "back in the day" photo, unless Joe made a deal with the Devil and hasn't aged in 41 years.
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/11/10 04:11 PM
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I'd say it's a "back in the day" photo, unless Joe made a deal with the Devil and hasn't aged in 41 years.
Excellent!... Thanks, looking forward to seeing the photo.
Posted By: topside
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/11/10 05:14 PM
Mopar Action, Oct 2007 issue, page 82; someone should be able to scan their issue.
Posted By: moparcanuk
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/12/10 01:27 AM
It would be interesting to know if all of the black screened cars come from the same plant.
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/20/10 03:56 PM
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Mopar Action, Oct 2007 issue, page 82; someone should be able to scan their issue.
Here is the picture... courtesy of Moparts member DmanSRT71...
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/20/10 08:39 PM
I still think it was an early production thing. Mine was Nov 7. It was Y2. Black looked OK but the red looked better. I changed over to red screens when I restored it. I had an April 69 RM21J that was B5 with red screens without stripes. It was on the Oct 1992 Mopar Action cover.
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/20/10 09:39 PM
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I still think it was an early production thing. Mine was Nov 7. It was Y2. Black looked OK but the red looked better. I changed over to red screens when I restored it. I had an April 69 RM21J that was B5 with red screens without stripes. It was on the Oct 1992 Mopar Action cover.
I also believe it may be related to the production date... but so far your SPD and those I have (Oct 15th & Jan 21st) are the only ones tied to screen color... so a color change may have occured between Nov 7th & Jan 21st.
Still looking for more back-in-the-day color pictures and info on SPDs/Build Plants for cars where the original screen color is known beyond a reasonable doubt... everyone please post reliable info if you have any.
Posted By: topside
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/21/10 07:54 PM
That's the photo I was referring to, and I think it's obvious now that some early AG cars came with black screens.
Either that or some guys on Day 2 painted them, but that would be a lot of work to make them look as-delivered. That's simple enough to check, just look for orange under the black.
Posted By: 474218
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 03/21/10 10:21 PM
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That's the photo I was referring to, and I think it's obvious now that some early AG cars came with black screens.
Either that or some guys on Day 2 painted them, but that would be a lot of work to make them look as-delivered. That's simple enough to check, just look for orange under the black.
Or the car is NOT Air Grabber equiped? 
Posted By: Cuda_Mike
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/06/10 02:56 PM
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For what it's worth, I have a red hood with black screens (no stripes) that I believe to be original. No trace of red on screens even where paint is chipped...
The comments about my black screens are kind of funny. I salvaged the air grabber off of a wrecked car that had the original rivets holding it in place. I just saved the scoops with the screens for posterity. The screws never had a screw driver in them since the original assembly and the flat bars are original. They probably had an engineering change to the angle retainers after they started production in 69? I also had a yellow hood with black screens. Just curious but what is the SPD production date on your fender tag?
Sorry RRJD, I just saw your request for the spd, unfortunately I only had the hood from the car with black screens. (red w/o hood treatment)
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/06/10 08:42 PM
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That's the photo I was referring to, and I think it's obvious now that some early AG cars came with black screens.
Either that or some guys on Day 2 painted them, but that would be a lot of work to make them look as-delivered. That's simple enough to check, just look for orange under the black.
Or the car is NOT Air Grabber equiped?
All '69 plymouth hemi RR's had the air grabber, did they not? That was certainly the case with Hemi Superbees and the (optional for all non-hemis) Ramcharger set up.
Dave
Posted By: 474218
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/06/10 11:32 PM
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That's the photo I was referring to, and I think it's obvious now that some early AG cars came with black screens.
Either that or some guys on Day 2 painted them, but that would be a lot of work to make them look as-delivered. That's simple enough to check, just look for orange under the black.
Or the car is NOT Air Grabber equiped?
All '69 plymouth hemi RR's had the air grabber, did they not? That was certainly the case with Hemi Superbees and the (optional for all non-hemis) Ramcharger set up.
Dave
Quoting facts takes all the fun out of threads like this. 
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/07/10 08:47 PM
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All '69 plymouth hemi RR's had the air grabber, did they not? That was certainly the case with Hemi Superbees and the (optional for all non-hemis) Ramcharger set up.
Dave
Yep, all 1969 Hemi Road Runners & Hemi GTXs came with the Air Grabber hood... o'course that will probably be argued about too...
I have yet to see any real evidence of early production cars with red screens (back-in-the-day photos, survivor cars, etc)... especially early St Louis cars. 
XS
Posted By: moparcanuk
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/13/10 01:49 PM
Here's a pic of black screens taken from the following vintage GTX road test on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMWikI9L7...t=1&index=7
Posted By: rocketresto
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/13/10 05:24 PM
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Here's a pic of black screens taken from the following vintage GTX road test on youtube.
No fresh air screens on that one, solid vents are always black.
Mike
Posted By: moparcanuk
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/14/10 03:53 AM
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Here's a pic of black screens taken from the following vintage GTX road test on youtube.
No fresh air screens on that one, solid vents are always black.
Mike
When did solid inserts come with the hood stripes?
Posted By: MOPARMIKE69
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/14/10 12:50 PM
When you ordered hood stripes and didn't order the air grabber.
Posted By: 69hemibeep
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/14/10 12:54 PM
Hood stripes were about an $18 option and had nothing to do with the air grabber option
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora - 04/14/10 05:06 PM
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Here's a pic of black screens taken from the following vintage GTX road test on youtube.
No fresh air screens on that one, solid vents are always black.
Mike
I agree. In defense of Moparcanuck, the announcer did state that it was equipped with an air grabber. When you view the road test, it clearly shows a hood pad and stock air cleaner for a non AG hood. It's a cool 5 minute road test of a new GTX if you haven't viewed it!