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Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora [Re: Bull1tt] #625494
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A lot of sreens replaced the block off plates (by owners) to let some heat out from under the hood- which was very common back then.
Screens= red
Block off= black





Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora [Re: MuscleMopars] #625495
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I would say that no one added them, most if not all were re-painted red by the owners or someone that liked the "fire breathing red" look of the red-orange in what is supposed to be hood scoops or fresh air intakes on a performance hood, just like my friend did to his formerly black blocked off NON-Air Grabber hood '69 GTX. They were black and this "was" a survivor just before he had it re-painted and had them painted red-orange

BLACK for NON-Air Grabber, no question about it IMO.

This photo is wrong, they were and should have remained the original BLACK color/colour


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You said most if not all. Does that mean some block off plates were painted Red at the factory?




What I was trying to say was; because the block off plates were always BLACK you couldn't buy a set of red block off plates, at least O.E.M., so they were usually PAINTED red by either the owner or by someone for the owner. There are no O.E.M RED block off plates, never were, ever......

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I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.

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Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora [Re: Bull1tt] #625497
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My otherwise dead-original hood-stripe non-AG '69 RR came with black block-offs; I swapped in some spare red-orange screens and the thing did run a bit cooler. My Q5 no-stripe AG '69 RR, also an original-everything car when I got it, had the red-orange screens. Both St.Louis cars, both mid-model-run, the AG car April IIRC. I was around these cars when they were new, and though I've never seen original AG screens in black, if the car was loaded on the transporter at the factory that way, that settles it. Anything else is open to argument.

Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora [Re: Bull1tt] #625498
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I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.




You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car. My Hemi car had the black screens and I think the retainers were angles on that one? When I restored my Hemi car, I consulted with Roger Gibson because I had the same question about color. My understanding is that many early cars had black screens. Mine was Nov 7. No matter what the difference in configuration, these screens are original and they are black and they came off of a painted hood car with no stripes. That's a fact but it really doesn't matter. If you have a rare car and need to prove it, you should have photo documentation of the resto but if you just go red, nobody will question the color of the screens.... but this thread was really about the color of solid inserts.

Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #625499
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I Black screen air grabber cars but i have never seen one. I also said all non air grabber cars were black inserts. I'm only stateing that i personaly have never seen black air grabber inserts that were black. Mother Mopar did plenty of stupid things back then. Anything was possible.wish people would read the whole reply before they strat ragging on someone. I said it is very possible there were

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I bought a brand new 69 runner in oct of 68, it had the air grabber hood, along with the v21 hood stripes. The screens were black.

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I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.




You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car.



A: I'm not that pumped up about it. I just don't think those pics are of "correct" parts.
B: The block off plates are thinner than screens and the channel, for sure, and use the longer brackets (which are straight).
C: Those two flat bars I have never seen that style ever. Channel should be an "L" shape. Look at the pic of the red screens.
D: You personally taking these off a car, in the '70's, does not mean they were not changed. You can't go by what screws look like 35 years later, sorry. That setup could have been changed a few months after owning, just like adding mag wheels.
E: I can't always buy into the "never say never" logic to justify things found 40 years later on a car, that were probably changed at one point. Guys modified their cars, they raced them, personalized them, showed them off, thats what was done to these cars. There were plenty of these cars starting to end up in junkyards, so you could easily add an air grabber off a wrecked car and paint the screens black to make it look like your "stock" hood, but show your buddies your trick air grabber parts you added. Thats more plausible than anything! Think outside the restoration "box". I'm not trying to offend anyone, just making some valid points.

Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora [Re: Bull1tt] #625502
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I also forgot to point out that this one doesn't have the correct channel holding in the screens, as well as the wrong brackets.




You are really pumped up about this! The black screened hood scoops were off of an air grabber car that never had the air grabber off of it. Think about if it had the solid inserts, wouldn't the inserts be thicker and wouldn't the little brackets have been bent up more? These have two thin flat bars holding them in that iare factory (not needed with solid inserts) and it looks like they have never been removed. I personally took the AG and the scoops off the car.



A: I'm not that pumped up about it. I just don't think those pics are of "correct" parts.
B: The block off plates are thinner than screens and the channel, for sure, and use the longer brackets (which are straight).
C: Those two flat bars I have never seen that style ever. Channel should be an "L" shape. Look at the pic of the red screens.
D: You personally taking these off a car, in the '70's, does not mean they were not changed. You can't go by what screws look like 35 years later, sorry. That setup could have been changed a few months after owning, just like adding mag wheels.
E: I can't always buy into the "never say never" logic to justify things found 40 years later on a car, that were probably changed at one point. Guys modified their cars, they raced them, personalized them, showed them off, thats what was done to these cars. There were plenty of these cars starting to end up in junkyards, so you could easily add an air grabber off a wrecked car and paint the screens black to make it look like your "stock" hood, but show your buddies your trick air grabber parts you added. Thats more plausible than anything! Think outside the restoration "box". I'm not trying to offend anyone, just making some valid points.




+1, unless roadrunnerJD took delivery of the car when new and documented the black screens, it's all open to interpretation. FWIW, Bull1t is correct about the clips.

Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Ora [Re: Sssnake383] #625503
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Here's one for you: my Q5 Air-Grabber Roadrunner (that I referred to previously) came with 2 screens in each opening, doubled up. That one never made any sense to me. I publicly confess that when I reassembled the car after resstoring it I installed only 1 screen per opening. The rails, brackets, and correct screws were all present.

Re: 69 Road Runnr hood scoop top color? Black? Red? Orange? [Re: MuscleMopars] #625504
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Eric, you have certainly had some nice b-bodys over the years - I almost bought the orange 'Runner from you a few years back...I too have wondered the correct answer to this question...I think that in very general terms it would be accepted to have red (orange, or whatever) with N96, and black with the block offs...We all know that things ususally started one way during early production, and then as the model year progressed, changes occured...the Road Runner horn color comes to mind among other things...As always, nice cars!

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For what it's worth, I have a red hood with black screens (no stripes) that I believe to be original. No trace of red on screens even where paint is chipped. I also had a hood with double screens, they were red.

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For what it's worth, I have a red hood with black screens (no stripes) that I believe to be original. No trace of red on screens even where paint is chipped...



The comments about my black screens are kind of funny. I salvaged the air grabber off of a wrecked car that had the original rivets holding it in place. I just saved the scoops with the screens for posterity. The screws never had a screw driver in them since the original assembly and the flat bars are original. They probably had an engineering change to the angle retainers after they started production in 69? I also had a yellow hood with black screens. Just curious but what is the SPD production date on your fender tag?

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Attached is a scan of a Polariod picture taken in 1976 when I bought my Road Runner with about 28,000 miles on the odometer... black, with no sign of red. They are red now though... painted them in the early 1980s.

My RR is a St Louis built car with a SPD of "A15"... October 15, 1968.

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Another picture taken in about 1980...

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Another picture taken in about 1980...



Wow! Thanks for posting. Now that will cause a stir! Even I was certain that the black hood treatment meant red screens. I believe they could have done it differently in St. Louis than Lynch Road? I don't know which plant my light bronze scoops came from but my yellow, no stripes hood Hemi car was St. Louis built, Nov 7 and had black screens. what about the retainers? Have you ever seen just the flat bars instead of the angles?

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Ever notice that the screens are slightly flatter on one side than the other? Which side was up on your cars? Mine was the rounder side up, red-orange, mid-year StLouis A/G no hood-stripe original car.

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I agree. I remember doing the top side with the more rounded finished look. I'd have to go look at my black ones but I'm sure they have a flatter side to them.

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A later built St Louis Hemi RR... SPD "121"... January 21, 1969... no hood stripes, with red screens

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