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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: Fury Fan]
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12/11/09 10:15 AM
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Maybe a smoking deal for the right person,but im just not interested in at that price,especially after what I have read here about the 413. For what its worth,id rather find a 440 and get a fresh start there.If anyone is interested I can try to get pics and more info. PM me.
If you're planning an RB build for that 65 Fury wagon of yours, don't forget the goofy driverside motormount used on the 65 Cs! Not all RB blocks have bosses for it. B engines tend to, 413s have them, and mid-70s 440s tend to have them.
The wagon is already equipped with a 383 from the factory,and its staying that way. I was just looking at the 63 with the 413 just to "have" the motor and maybe hang onto it for some other vehicle in the future. Not anymore though.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: SPWC]
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12/11/09 10:58 AM
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I never noticed that this post was so old! These guys are right that the 440 is a better choice to build on the basis that the aftermarket offers more stuff for it. Personally, I'd take a good 413 over a 440 any day of the week! They're awesome!
Maund Motorworks--supplier of high performance Mopar engines--specializing in B, RB, and Hemi. www.maundmotorworks.com
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: maundmotorworks]
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12/11/09 11:23 AM
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These guys are right that the 440 is a better choice to build on the basis that the aftermarket offers more stuff for it.
If you mean pistons when you say "Stuff" you are correct, otherwise EVERY other aftermarket part made and sold as a "440" part today will also fit 413's equally.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: Fury Fan]
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12/11/09 11:36 AM
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If you're planning an RB build for that 65 Fury wagon of yours, don't forget the goofy driverside motormount used on the 65 Cs! Not all RB blocks have bosses for it. B engines tend to, 413s have them, and mid-70s 440s tend to have them.
Not all 413's have these bosses. In fact, I dare to say 'most' 413 don't have these. None of the four 413s I have around have these bosses.
Otherwise my '65 300 convertible would have already had one of the 413s I have lying around.
I bought the car engine-less and it currently has a stock-bore but freshened up 383 I found seperatly for it.
The VIN says it came originally with a 413 so I would like to have a 413 in there some day again.
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I never noticed that this post was so old!
It may be old but it's still recent, by the looks of it... 
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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12/11/09 11:51 AM
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Not all 413's have these bosses. In fact, I dare to say 'most' 413 don't have these. None of the four 413s I have around have these bosses.
The VIN says it came originally with a 413 so I would like to have a 413 in there some day again.
Perhaps the bosses are a difference between car and industrial/truck castings? My book shows 6 casting#s for 413s, far more than I would have expected.
Your 1965 VIN shows an engine code? I thought that didn't start 'til 67 or 68.  Do you mean the fendertag?
Parts I seek:
driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set
16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better.
69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields
Send a PM.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/11/09 12:00 PM
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'Fender-tag' is more correct. ScottSmith, thanks for the offer! But ehm, check my location...  Shipping big lumps of iron across the Atlantic quickly rises above the current 'economical value' of such a 413 motor By the way, I'm currently working on an engine which might be a nice temporary candidate for the '65 convert. Somehow part of the coolingsystem got filled with concrete but no-one will notice that anyway. And when the motor is all done I think I'll just say it's a 413 with a 'helper-pump' on top, just to get 440-fanboys riled up...   
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: b54406barrel]
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12/11/09 02:22 PM
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This si sad, I'm on a trip and still read this site. Sorry buy 413's are way more special than 440's because there's song about 413's. nobody sings about a 440 diggin in!
And those lowly 62 to mid 63 Max Wedge engins were worthless,couldn't get out of their own way. 
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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12/11/09 03:37 PM
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The 413 is to the 440 what the 361 is to the 383. and the 361 aint no "special" engine. The answer to the question of this thread is NO. 
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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12/11/09 04:08 PM
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The 413 is to the 440 what the 361 is to the 383.
and the 361 aint no "special" engine.
The answer to the question of this thread is NO.
And there you have it! 
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/11/09 04:21 PM
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I would still run it even if out dated and slow just for the cool factor  and a 361 in a 1500lbs rat rod..now thats cool,IMHO one with the funky heads and water pump on the front swaped in to a rat rod would be interesting in deed...now thats different,you know something like granpa munster would make with straight pipes now I wish I had one 
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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12/11/09 04:25 PM
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Funky heads?  Whatchoo talkin' 'bout? Speaking of funky heads... Here's another non-special engine, the cheaper cousin' of the early Hemi; 
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: Reggie]
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12/11/09 04:31 PM
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Ok fellas, let's add this topic to the top of the official "Beaten Dead Horses" list:
413 or 440
340 or 360
318 or 360
400HP 318
Big Block or Small Block
Stroker or Stock Stroke
Eddy or Cast Iron Heads
Auto or 4-Speed
727 or 904
8.25" any good?
Eddy or Holley Carb
741 any good?
742 vs 489
Green vs OEM Tapered bearings
Turbo vs Supercharger
Clutch vs. Flex Fan
Rubber vs Poly vs Polygraphite
Ported or Manifold Vacuum
Ford 9" vs 8.75"
Internal vs External Crank Balancing
440Source parts
Tall vs. Short Spindles
Nothing like the winter months on Moparts
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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12/11/09 05:28 PM
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Winterville, Ga USA
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the 413, 361, and 318 Poly, all motors that get little respect in the mopar crowd.
I think any of these motors would be great for a first-timer (much like myself). Especially for give-away prices. Just use the extra money you save to build the motors up and watch the competition cry foul.
My buddies re-built Poly is pretty impressive.
Glad to be back in the hobby.
68 Plymouth Valiant
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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12/11/09 06:22 PM
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Funky heads? Whatchoo talkin' 'bout?
FUNKY heads ? .. gimmme ALL of 'em !
I can NOT believe that no-one has mentioned the MAJOR bennie that the 413 has over the 440 !!
I just MIGHT .... if yous-guyz are really nice ...  ... .... 
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