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HEMI FENDER FenderTag Question - ??? #620253
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OK, I'm getting ready to start the restoration on a real 1970 Hemi Cuda.

It's definitely real. All tags and body numbers match. It has all titles back to the original owner, build sheet, GTS paperwork, matching original engine, etc.

It DOES NOT have a second fender tag that says "HEMI FENDER".

What cars are supposed to have the second tag and which ones are not?

The build sheet has "Special Handling" stamped on it. Should it have that tag?


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Re: HEMI FENDER FenderTag Question - ??? [Re: cloneguy] #620254
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The early 70 model year E-bodies did not have the tag, later yes. So it depends on your SPD. I believe the HEMI FENDER tag began in January, but someone will chime in with exact time. Have fun doing the car.

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Does the car have rolled fender lips?

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I'll check the fenders on Monday. Thanks.


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Here is an early production fender, will post the OE wheel lip molding later (they were a hack a$$ bandsaw job).

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Is the car coded for wheel lip moldings and if so, were they on the car? Just curious........

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I saw some vintage photos of the car today.

It is an October car and it did not have the hemi fender tag.

It does have rolled fenders though.


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Here is an early production fender, will post the OE wheel lip molding later (they were a hack a$$ bandsaw job).




Don't think I care for that comment.I worked at Creative and did most of the driver side fenders.Most turned out very nice considering how they decided to do them.I think we did them all until Feb or so when the "Hemi fender" was ready.BTW they all had the wheel lip mouldings. One more piece of info is that all the Challengers had the mouldings removed and should not be on a Challenger.I see lots of restored cars with them.Wrong.Built with them yes,delivered without them.


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Interesting!
Were the ones you did at Creative done differently than the Feb-ish introduced "Hemi fender"?

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Yes the early ones were modified by hand.They look much different.I'm sure someone will post a picture of the "Hemi fender".Later ones were stamped with the cut out for the tire.I don't think they modified the lip mouldings like we did.I guess they figured in the problem arose it would just tear the moulding off.We only had one crew of two people doing them at first then they hired two more guys who were fired after 3 weeks for messing so many up.


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Yes the early ones were modified by hand.They look much different.I'm sure someone will post a picture of the "Hemi fender".Later ones were stamped with the cut out for the tire.I don't think they modified the lip mouldings like we did.I guess they figured in the problem arose it would just tear the moulding off.We only had one crew of two people doing them at first then they hired two more guys who were fired after 3 weeks for messing so many up.




Interesting.

I bought a pair of NOS 71 gilled fenders in 87'. One has the lip turned in (DS) like what's pictured above and the other (PS) didn't have it.

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Here is an early production fender, will post the OE wheel lip molding later (they were a hack a$$ bandsaw job).




Don't think I care for that comment.I worked at Creative and did most of the driver side fenders.Most turned out very nice considering how they decided to do them.I think we did them all until Feb or so when the "Hemi fender" was ready.BTW they all had the wheel lip mouldings. One more piece of info is that all the Challengers had the mouldings removed and should not be on a Challenger.I see lots of restored cars with them.Wrong.Built with them yes,delivered without them.




Mike did not mean to offend, I apologize for the ignorant statement.
Below is the original removed from my hemicuda. Was never off the fender since the car was built in October 1969, hence the overspray. Also the original FE5 was still nice and shiny under the W/O molding.
BTW maybe you did the drivers side fender I have pictured, looks like a set of pinch pliers were used originally?

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Were the fenders modified after final paint?

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WOW what a super informative thread Cool learned sumpthin today


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Here is an October '69 ('70 HEMI 'Cuda) original paint EK2 HEMI fender, wheel lip moulding removed.



Here is a September '70 ('71 HEMI 'Cuda) HEMI fender, never any wheel lip moulding.


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Were the fenders modified after final paint?




Yes the fenders were modified after they were painted.Cars were complete.We drove them in and out of the building and once in a while to get gas for the ones that ran out in the lot.We hand cut the moldings on a bandsaw after marking them with a template.Then we reinstalled the moulding.I guess there must have been cars without mouldings if the fenders were not drilled.It has been a long time.The cars were shipped to dealers or a holding yard after they left Creative.

The tools were very crude that were used and yes some fenders were a bit rough.We used 2 modified welding visegrips to clamp an aluminum template to the fenders,then bent the lips with another pair of modified visegrip welding pliers (had a square piece welded on with a groove machined in them to hold the fender edge).The idea was to bend them flush with the inner fender.Most of the time we did.


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Hi Mike, I remember another thread quite a while back where you talked about this same thing. It's been one of my favorite threads. It's always great to hear straight from someone who was actually there. Thanks for being here on moparts with us!

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Have you ever considered offering your services to bend some more wheel lips for people? I would imagine someone out there is willing to pay for your expertise.

If you take a 1970 fender and have the lip bent by the same guy who did it way back then, I'd imagine it would be pretty hard to tell the one he did today apart from the one he did 40 years ago. Something to consider for the clone builders and others who've had a hard time finding original hemi fenders.

I've heard of people stamping louvers into 71 barracuda fenders, but so far I haven't heard of anyone offering to bend wheel lips.

Tav

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Have you ever considered offering your services to bend some more wheel lips for people? I would imagine someone out there is willing to pay for your expertise.

If you take a 1970 fender and have the lip bent by the same guy who did it way back then, I'd imagine it would be pretty hard to tell the one he did today apart from the one he did 40 years ago. Something to consider for the clone builders and others who've had a hard time finding original hemi fenders.

I've heard of people stamping louvers into 71 barracuda fenders, but so far I haven't heard of anyone offering to bend wheel lips.

Tav





I don't think I would do my own if I had a fender that needed it.I am not a "body" guy.I do think that with the fender edge roller that Eastwood sells someone could do a much nicer job.It was only one of several of little jobs that we did when I was there.Most were manual labor type repairs to parts that were dimensionally wrong.We also did the T/A and 340-6 six pac hoods (grunt work of sanding and sanding and more sanding).Creative had a Chrysler styling room on site that was off limits to us.I am sure there are much better stories out there about that than what we did.

Funny I have never heard anyone speak about why they did the fender mods.

I only chime in on this to set the record straight as I have heard so many wild stories about the fenders.So if you see an older guy checking your fenders at a car show don't freak out,it just might be me.


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My first time posting, so if I'm doing something wrong let me know.

My question is about wheel lip moldings on Hemicudas. I have a survivor April-70 car that never had them, and they weren't coded on the sheet (M26). I am working on a Feb-70 car that also doesn't have them coded, but the car does have them (although they may have been user-added, its possible on this car). So my question is, if the car should have them wouldn't they be coded? And if not coded then what would determine if they were supposed to be installed or not? If anyone has a sheet of a Hemicuda that has these can they check if this was coded.

I have heard these moldings were part of the 'Cuda package. But my guess is that, if these were 'standard' from the get-go, by midyear 70 these were deleted from Hemicudas, and that continued through '71. This deletion may have been synchronized with the Hemi Fenders, but my Feb-2 car doesn't seem to have ever had a 'Hemi Fender' tag, only the one.

Along these lines, any info about '71 Hemicudas and wheel lip moldings? Did any cars get these, and if so how did these get ordered/installed, and if installed were they coded on the sheet?

Thanks!

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