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Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: toplescuda] #617870 02/20/10 09:01 PM 02/20/10 09:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	1956 354 Hemi Power (hp) 355 @ 5200 Torque (lb-ft) n/a Bore (in) 3.9375 Stroke (in) 3.625 Compression 10.0:1 Carburetor 2-4V In Valves (in) 1.94 Ex Valves (in) 1.75 Dry Weight (lbs) 737 1957 392 Power (hp) 375 @ 5200 Torque (lb-ft) 420 @ 4000 Bore (in) 4 Stroke (in) 3.906 Compression 9.25:1 Carburetor 2-4V Dry Weight (lbs)767

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #617871 02/20/10 10:02 PM 02/20/10 10:02 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon D Dougsmopars top fuel
Dougsmopars top fuel D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon	when you swap out all the iron such as intake, valley pan, timing cover,water pump and pullies and replace with aluminum parts the 392 weighs in at aprox 40 pounds more then a stock small block chevy. Them motors look huge but really all they are is a 340 with hemi heads. The 392 is the basic design used for the later small blocks. Most updated parts for a 392 are modified 340 parts. They even use the stock 340 timing set.

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: coledavis01] #617872 02/21/10 02:51 PM 02/21/10 02:51 PM
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71DemonRON mopar Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 484 PORT ALBERNI B.C. CANADA	Here's a 70' with a 354 HEMI http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/1599869537.html 1971 Demon drag car 2004 SX 2.0 1971 Duster 340 4 speed , project for my Daughter 1998 Dodge Ram 3500 SLT Laramie quad cab dually 4x4 V10

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: Dougsmopars] #617873 02/21/10 03:28 PM 02/21/10 03:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Right Doug, if you replace a (ton) of parts you can lighten them allot (as with any engine you dump iron parts/add aluminum parts to). That being said, it an't cheap! Give Hot Heads a call and do the math, a 426 Hemi would cost less than a pimped out 354/392 in most every case.

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #617874 02/21/10 04:39 PM 02/21/10 04:39 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon D Dougsmopars top fuel
Dougsmopars top fuel D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon	I've called Bob at Hot Heads many times as i built a 392 for a coupe project. With all the billet parts made for the 392 and every nut and bolt replaced. Every thing brand new from Billet specialites dual quad air cleaner to Steff's Aluminum race pan. Every last part inside the motor replaced with the best from Hot Heads,Keith Black, racer brown, ect, ect. Motor built by one of the best speed shops in the north east. Total cost was under 12,000. Now tell me how much to build a 426 with all the billet goodies. A stock rebuild on a 392 is about the same as a 340 motor. No there not as cheap to build as a BB chevy but there not crazy money. If the guy wants to put a 392 in his bee thats his choise. It's his car. I'm not gonna knock anybody for putting Mopar power in a mopar car. Especially if it a hemi. But then again i don't really care about numbers matching. A nice car is a nice car reguardless of numbers. This hobby was founded on 30's cars getting stripped down and big motors getting thrown in. Numbers didn't matter. Some of us are just old hot rodders not collectors.

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: Dougsmopars] #617875 02/21/10 04:47 PM 02/21/10 04:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: It's his car. I'm not gonna knock anybody for putting Mopar power in a mopar car. Nor am I, and I only said that because I've heard others do it and the fact is, it will happen. Also as I said, it may or may not bother him accordingly, just a little advance warning that's all. I don't think you and I are as different as you might be assuming concerning our taste in cars, I like original numbers matching cars, but I ALSO like modified rods as well, I'm not stuck in a single niche. I agree with you concerning the 392 build costs, and yes, a like equipped 426 would likely cost more, however, to get a 392 to weigh within 50lbs of a SB Chevy isn't cheap, that was the jist of my posting what I did, this guy is talking about putting a basically stock 392 into a 69 Bee, and as such that combo will be boat anchor HP/Weight ratio. My current project 5821186-572doorPlymouthwagon.jpg (173 downloads)

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #617876 02/21/10 04:48 PM 02/21/10 04:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	engine 5821188-354BeforeA.jpg (171 downloads)

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: coledavis01] #617877 02/22/10 11:27 AM 02/22/10 11:27 AM
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wino member W Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 26 prescottvalley,az	I did install one in this 67 coronet back in the late 90's. had a lot of fun with it. I did not care what other people thought,it was my car and I liked it. 5822937-392-1.jpg (169 downloads)

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: wino] #617878 02/22/10 12:04 PM 02/22/10 12:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Visually I think the 50's hemi installs in the later mopars look fine. But before you pull the trigger, total up the full cost of what it'll take. Last I saw you needed $$$ oil pans and $$$ headers to make them work. Then I think the early hemi heads didn't flow even close to the 426 hemi heads. Then aftermarket intakes and cams for the 50s hemis are not cheap either. Then you gotta deal with the transmission you need to fit and motor mounts. Total up the full $ and weigh your options before you decide to pull the trigger.

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #617879 02/22/10 12:12 PM 02/22/10 12:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: Then I think the early hemi heads didn't flow even close to the 426 hemi heads. I'm with you on most of your post but you'll get some arguement on the above comment. Early Hemi heads are EXCELLENT flowing heads. In stock form most agree the 354's are the best followed closely by the 392's.

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #617880 02/22/10 12:15 PM 02/22/10 12:15 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: Quote: Then I think the early hemi heads didn't flow even close to the 426 hemi heads. I'm with you on most of your post but you'll get some arguement on the above comment. Early Hemi heads are EXCELLENT flowing heads. In stock form most agree the 354's are the best followed closely by the 392's. Anyone know for sure what they flow compared to 426 heads? I had just heard the early hemi heads aren't as good but never seen some actual flow test #'s to back it up.

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #617881 02/22/10 12:21 PM 02/22/10 12:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	The first thing we need to do is set the rules. A stock unported cast iron Street Hemi head vs a stock unported cast iron 354/392 head.

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: coledavis01] #617882 02/22/10 12:28 PM 02/22/10 12:28 PM
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DusterKrazy master D Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,445 N.Wilkesboro,NC	I think it would bee the ultimate in cool. But as mentioned be prepared to pay

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: DusterKrazy] #617883 02/22/10 12:38 PM 02/22/10 12:38 PM
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2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,794 Holland MI Ottawa	If you can afford it do it!! The engine is cool, has history and is still rare. I worked with a man that had a 69 chevelle with a 409 dual quad engine. Cool cool cool. Keep old mopars alive.

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: 2boltmain] #617884 02/22/10 06:04 PM 02/22/10 06:04 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 88 Kansas City, MO C coledavis01 OP member
coledavis01 OP member C Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 88 Kansas City, MO	The original thought for considering the whole deal was money...the 383 is apart needing a bit of machine work & I figured if I mothballed the factory motor for the time being and built up the 392 (given that it could be had for cheap) I'd have about the same amount of money involved, but as a lot of you have said, this would most likely not be the case and with the weight disadvantage of the hemi it wouldn't be adding much beyond the visual effect of having the hemi under the hood. I really like that Plymouth wagon! Cole

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: coledavis01] #617885 02/22/10 06:19 PM 02/22/10 06:19 PM
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CurYellowBird mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	IMO there is nothing wrong with a 392 hemi. It's better than having a 331 baby hemi. Buy it and moth ball it. Keep the numbers drivetrain in the superbee. I bought a 440 to put in my 71' roadrunner that has the numbers 383. I decided now to just build the car as she came and leave it alone. Sure, everyone is saying "put a 440 in it!" but now how often do you see mopars running around with the original 383? Superbees and roadrunners are awesome cars if left alone. I don't agree with stroking the 383 if it's the numbers matching engine. That's asking to screw it up. Find another 383 if your going to do that. If your superbee is complete and nothing big is missing, then leave it alone. You'll save stupid money by reusing or rebuilding any parts you can. Just bought my complete interior from legendary because I didn't have to spend all that extra money on a second motor. Up to you what you do. Wanna be unique, go with the 392. Wanna keep it original, go with the 383. Pat Last edited by CurYellowBird; 02/22/10 06:20 PM. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #617886 05/30/10 10:13 PM 05/30/10 10:13 PM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: The first thing we need to do is set the rules. A stock unported cast iron Street Hemi head vs a stock unported cast iron 354/392 head. But one question: displacement alone would determine the flow numbers at different valve lifts in proportion with the valve sizes wouldn't it? Food for Please chime in!! "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: CurYellowBird] #617887 05/30/10 10:15 PM 05/30/10 10:15 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker H HYPER8oSoNic top fuel
HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: IMO there is nothing wrong with a 392 hemi. It's better than having a 331 baby hemi. Buy it and moth ball it. Keep the numbers drivetrain in the superbee. I bought a 440 to put in my 71' roadrunner that has the numbers 383. I decided now to just build the car as she came and leave it alone. Sure, everyone is saying "put a 440 in it!" but now how often do you see mopars running around with the original 383? Superbees and roadrunners are awesome cars if left alone. I don't agree with stroking the 383 if it's the numbers matching engine. That's asking to screw it up. Find another 383 if your going to do that. If your superbee is complete and nothing big is missing, then leave it alone. You'll save stupid money by reusing or rebuilding any parts you can. Just bought my complete interior from legendary because I didn't have to spend all that extra money on a second motor. Up to you what you do. Wanna be unique, go with the 392. Wanna keep it original, go with the 383. Pat 100%. Well said!!! "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #617888 05/30/10 10:21 PM 05/30/10 10:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker H HYPER8oSoNic top fuel
HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: engine Nice mill. Scott, where the 6-71 hiding at? "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: 392 Hemi in a 69 Bee? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #617889 05/30/10 11:45 PM 05/30/10 11:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	No blower..........Yet, that's be "Stage II" if I live long enough to budget for it with my other projects sucking miney faster than I earn it.

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