Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
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02/18/10 09:29 PM
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With all the new CNC cylinder Head options out today, do you think the B-1's are a thing of the past for Race Motors. Seems intake options are limited, compared to todays products. Looking to spec my 500 low deck , thought about B1's but now considering others due to intake choices Indy, Eddy,all seem to be good for this power range. 800hp goal with original block on a budget.
Those heads aren't even close to the B1's. B1's are good to 604 CI and over 1000HP. The -1's,SR, edelbrock RPM, or victors are not even in the same class. They work fine for a street/strip deal, but not for all out racing. And if you want to really pick up the pace, Predators or PSO's will get it done for the wedge motors. JMHO
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
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02/18/10 09:38 PM
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B1's a very much a option. CNC programs are out there for these heads as well. 800 hp is doable with Indy -1's but would need full tilt porting max effort deal. Its not going to happen with 10:1 compression. My Indy engine is easily in that hp range, but its 15:1 compression, alky injected, CNC ported heads, .800 roller,but does have a cast intake etc. So it can be done. It be hard not to build 800 hp with a nice set of B1 Originals 13-14:1 compression and cast intake, and Dominator carb, .750-.800 lift solid roller. I dont want to sound like a spoil sport, but 800hp with a stock block is really, really pushing it. A stock block of tis caliber would need to be girdled, and aftermarket main caps, hard block etc... But at this point a aftermarket block can be purchased for the same money and actually live.
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
[Re: AndyF]
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02/18/10 09:56 PM
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Well B1 original heads only have the one intake that fits and it only really fits on low deck blocks so that is a limitation. But it is a very good intake design that is very capable of supporting a bunch of power.
Only issue I see with the B1 design is that those heads make more power than is really safe for a production low deck block. And the aftermarket isn't making cast iron low deck blocks. Someone either needs to design a RB version of the intake manifold or someone needs to do a low deck mega block.
One or the other would open up a whole new chapter for Mopar race motors.
I call BS on that one..
Stop trying to scare potential users away.
Gecker has been using 400 blocks for the duration of these heads, making 900+hp constantly..
Very few failures in nearly 20 years..
Just do everything right like anyone would do on higher hp engines and you will have no problems..
Chris..
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
[Re: camastomcat]
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02/18/10 10:24 PM
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Ummmmm.......B1 heads are from from a thing of the past. They are something that many folks seem to be intimidated by or misinformed about. They have been a round for a number of years and have always worked very well. Although they seem to be a mistery to many Mopar loyalists. As someone stated earlier you can dang near fall out of bed and make 800+hp. IMO if you are making less than 850 with a set of originals with minor porting you are doing something wrong. In my book they are the best bang for the buck out there in a Mopar head and the B1 intake is the best piece out there for a Mopar cast single four intake.
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
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02/18/10 11:15 PM
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The standard B1's use a Max Wedge opening and standard bolt location.
Use an Indy, E'Brock Victor or even a tunnel ram
B1's are Top Notch in my book. Besides try to get some personalized help and info out of the others.
No, the b1 intake port is bigger than a max Wedge, by quite a bit. So the only intake that will work is the B1 cast dominator intake. Which is pretty good, since it is the best flowing cast intake anyway.
Also, Andy, the B1 intake is used on RBs all the time with the spacers Koffels provides.
The B1, B1-MC and PSO are the best flowing inline valve heads period. The OP needs to do more research.
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
[Re: B1Fish540]
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02/18/10 11:27 PM
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The standard B1's use a Max Wedge opening and standard bolt location.
Use an Indy, E'Brock Victor or even a tunnel ram
B1's are Top Notch in my book. Besides try to get some personalized help and info out of the others.
No, the b1 intake port is bigger than a max Wedge, by quite a bit. So the only intake that will work is the B1 cast dominator intake. Which is pretty good, since it is the best flowing cast intake anyway.
Also, Andy, the B1 intake is used on RBs all the time with the spacers Koffels provides.
The B1, B1-MC and PSO are the best flowing inline valve heads period. The OP needs to do more research.
I'll bet he's talking about b1 bs heads
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
[Re: joshking440]
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02/18/10 11:47 PM
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I call BS on two things: 1. B1 heads are outdated....BS.....AWESOME heads 2. INDY 440-1 are not a good race head....BS....Ive seen them in the 8's quite often. This post is how crap gets started. If anyone has a set of OUTDATED B1 heads wanting to trade for a set of these.....RACE.....Edelbrock RPM's (as stated) Im MORE than willing to trade for your B1's....I can make do with them.....
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
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02/19/10 05:47 AM
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Anyone ever comapred flow against port area between Indys and B1's?
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
[Re: jyrki]
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02/19/10 08:14 AM
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Rank and File!! here's the chain of command on the Heads issue From the bottom to the top.. Cast stock heads with a port job. Aluminum heads Eddies,Edelbrock,MP,440 Source all above with port work. Indy cast, with port work Indy Aluminum with port work then B1 with port work and the current all mighty PREDATOR!!1 Now the rank and file the cost just keeps going up as you upgrade for better flow..
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Re: B--1 Originals a thing of the past ?
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02/19/10 10:02 AM
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The standard B1's use a Max Wedge opening and standard bolt location.
Use an Indy, E'Brock Victor or even a tunnel ram
B1's are Top Notch in my book. Besides try to get some personalized help and info out of the others.
No, the b1 intake port is bigger than a max Wedge, by quite a bit. So the only intake that will work is the B1 cast dominator intake. Which is pretty good, since it is the best flowing cast intake anyway.
Also, Andy, the B1 intake is used on RBs all the time with the spacers Koffels provides.
The B1, B1-MC and PSO are the best flowing inline valve heads period. The OP needs to do more research.
I'll bet he's talking about b1 bs heads
I stand corrected, thinking about 1 and typing another
FWIW the BS heads will replace the Indy-1's currently sitting in my garage.
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