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improvement on front b body drum brakes #608035 02/08/10 06:41 PM 02/08/10 06:41 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 61 ohio S silverhemiboy OP member
silverhemiboy OP member S Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 61 ohio	I'm a new 68 hemi rr owner. All my chev buddies say I've turned to the dark side but I love it. The only thing that is bothering me is the poor stopping with drum brakes. I know disc brakes would be the ticket but this car is a completely restored numbers car and I will need to keep it stock looking. In the March 2010 Muscle Machines mag they have a write up on an orange A-12 dodge with drum brakes with custom arched shoes from Tulsa Brake and Clutch. They say it stops as well as disc brakes! Is this something that would work for me? Any comments will be appreciated.

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: silverhemiboy] #608036 02/08/10 08:30 PM 02/08/10 08:30 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon D Dougsmopars top fuel
Dougsmopars top fuel D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon	Had the same problem with my GTX. Poor manuel brakes. After beatting my head against the wall and spending a ton of money i found that the reman masters were crap. I found a brand new master car stops super now. There is nothing wrong with manuel drum brakes. If your planning on driving around at a 100 you may want to convert to disc.

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: Dougsmopars] #608037 02/08/10 10:40 PM 02/08/10 10:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,179 S.E. Conn Hoof Hearted top fuel
Hoof Hearted top fuel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,179 S.E. Conn	Great post, look forward to reading more responses. I declined upgrading from stock 10x2" drums on my 69 coronet(original 6cyl, now a 496") and went with bigger 10x2.5" rear and Everything New 11x3" front drums up front(intended to build an A12 replica) w/manual brakes. Always stops fine with minimal fading on hot days. The only times I had issues was when the rear axles kept puking, leaving me with essentially front drums only, which really sucked. Brand new replacement 11x3" drums are available through NAPA. Thought i'd share. 2005 300C Hemi 2014 Ram ProMaster 2500 I Rekey, Repin old Chrysler locks and cut keys by code

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: Hoof Hearted] #608038 02/08/10 11:16 PM 02/08/10 11:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,164 CT GTX MATT master
GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,164 CT	Quote: Great post, look forward to reading more responses. I declined upgrading from stock 10x2" drums on my 69 coronet(original 6cyl, now a 496") and went with bigger 10x2.5" rear and Everything New 11x3" front drums up front(intended to build an A12 replica) w/manual brakes. Always stops fine with minimal fading on hot days. The only times I had issues was when the rear axles kept puking, leaving me with essentially front drums only, which really sucked. Brand new replacement 11x3" drums are available through NAPA. Thought i'd share. What part number, I was just there two months ago and they couldnt find me anything. I thought they would have something and I figured theyd have a reasonable price. PS I know your in CT, which NAPA did you get them through? And do you remember the price? Last edited by GTX MATT; 02/08/10 11:17 PM. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: GTX MATT] #608039 02/08/10 11:22 PM 02/08/10 11:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,164 CT GTX MATT master
GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,164 CT	Well Ill be an SOB. I just searched online (WHICH I DID BEFORE) but this time searched 69 Coronet. Sure as hell they have them. I really thought they would. I searched for a '67 GTX before though. But I did search online and go to the store, literally at the beginning of winter. Cool Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: GTX MATT] #608040 02/08/10 11:57 PM 02/08/10 11:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I will keep an eye on this as I have the stock drum brakes on my 63. But mine are power brakes and it actually stops pretty good. Course any help is good. Ron

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: silverhemiboy] #608041 02/09/10 12:14 AM 02/09/10 12:14 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 356 NE M moparpoolman enthusiast
moparpoolman enthusiast M Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 356 NE	You might want to check to see if your pads are glazed over. I had a problem with that once. I have manual 11" drums on a 68 GTX. After running 11.77 at 116mph they stop me fine. I put new 11x3 drums on it in the front and new rears also. New Pads all around and all new wheel cyls and master cyl. All parts are Raybestos and available. I also have a 69 Bee same set up, Will lock up all four tires.

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: moparpoolman] #608042 02/09/10 12:40 AM 02/09/10 12:40 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 61 ohio S silverhemiboy OP member
silverhemiboy OP member S Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 61 ohio	Thanks for the responses. It seems that every one is thinking of a good quality new set of brake shoes and it will stop fine. I will not drive this car that hard but it has a very strong 472 with a solid roller cam putting out some good steam (approx 600 hp per the dyno)and it's nice to exercise that power once in a while. I just need to feel safe. My crazy years are well behind me. I will ask again if any one has looked at the mag article I made reference to which mentioned custom arched brake shoes? I just don't understand the concept. I could understand possibly going for some metallic brake shoes or some other hi friction surface which might help the stopping.I also assume my 68 rr hemi has 11x3 inch drums in the front and 11x2.5 in the back? I also plan to look carefully at the brake drum surface and make sure it is in tip top shape.

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: silverhemiboy] #608043 02/09/10 01:38 AM 02/09/10 01:38 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	I saw that article and paused when I read that as well. I just shrugged, as I don't know what "custom arched shoes" would be???? Check these guys out.... http://www.musclecarbrakes.com/index.html Don't know if their stuff is any better than standard raybestos material??. There was an article in Muscle Car Review a few months back, they did a test on a set from these guys and said they worked remarkably well. (???) LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: StealthWedge67] #608044 02/09/10 02:00 AM 02/09/10 02:00 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,319 Chicago Burbs sthemi master
sthemi master Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,319 Chicago Burbs	Back in the day, No brake job left the shop without proper arcing of the shoes. Amco made a special machine to surface the shoes to the exact diameter of the drums and leave a uniform finish.. That meant that the operator and anyone in the room got a faceful of asbestos.. but hey this was 1968.... I havent switched my b body cars to discs yet, the shoes will stop from highway speed fine once or twice then will need prolonged cool down.. I do own a 68 Chrysler 300 with a disc conversion and it stops awesome.. Way back, I used to run Lakewood Velvet Touch shoes on my Hemi Runner and they were deadly until they warmed up, then unbelievable stopping power.. Video Little Red Wagon Indy Nats,BurnoutContest

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: silverhemiboy] #608045 02/09/10 02:01 AM 02/09/10 02:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,314 Carstairs, Alberta, Canada dave571 master
dave571 master Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,314 Carstairs, Alberta, Canada	Quote: I know disc brakes would be the ticket but this car is a completely restored numbers car and I will need to keep it stock looking......it has a very strong 472 with a solid roller cam putting out some good steam (approx 600 hp per the dyno) Has the numbers 426 been stroked to 472? Quote: I also assume my 68 rr hemi has 11x3 inch drums in the front and 11x2.5 in the back? I also plan to look carefully at the brake drum surface and make sure it is in tip top shape. I'd check those sizes if I were you. You know what they say about assuming things. I think a well set up set of drums, will stop fine. And I don't buy into someone trying to reinvent shoe arch. My daily driver until recently was a 68 newport with drums all around. As long as I kept them adjusted tight it stopped great.

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: GTX MATT] #608046 02/09/10 02:10 AM 02/09/10 02:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,179 S.E. Conn Hoof Hearted top fuel
Hoof Hearted top fuel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,179 S.E. Conn	Quote: Quote: Great post, look forward to reading more responses. I declined upgrading from stock 10x2" drums on my 69 coronet(original 6cyl, now a 496") and went with bigger 10x2.5" rear and Everything New 11x3" front drums up front(intended to build an A12 replica) w/manual brakes. Always stops fine with minimal fading on hot days. The only times I had issues was when the rear axles kept puking, leaving me with essentially front drums only, which really sucked. Brand new replacement 11x3" drums are available through NAPA. Thought i'd share. What part number, I was just there two months ago and they couldnt find me anything. I thought they would have something and I figured theyd have a reasonable price. PS I know your in CT, which NAPA did you get them through? And do you remember the price? NAPA in Waterford, Ct. Dealt with Doug, 860-447-3211 2005 300C Hemi 2014 Ram ProMaster 2500 I Rekey, Repin old Chrysler locks and cut keys by code

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: sthemi] #608047 02/09/10 02:26 AM 02/09/10 02:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Quote: Back in the day, No brake job left the shop without proper arcing of the shoes. Amco made a special machine to surface the shoes to the exact diameter of the drums and leave a uniform finish.. That meant that the operator and anyone in the room got a faceful of asbestos.. but hey this was 1968.... I havent switched my b body cars to discs yet, the shoes will stop from highway speed fine once or twice then will need prolonged cool down.. I do own a 68 Chrysler 300 with a disc conversion and it stops awesome.. Way back, I used to run Lakewood Velvet Touch shoes on my Hemi Runner and they were deadly until they warmed up, then unbelievable stopping power.. Yep we had the grinder on the back of out drum/rotor lathe. It quickly went out of use because disc brakes up front and flat rate. But grinding the shoes to fit the drum is the best right way to do it. Ron

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: sthemi] #608048 02/09/10 11:12 AM 02/09/10 11:12 AM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 334 hickory nc USA S skyhawk61 enthusiast
skyhawk61 enthusiast S Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 334 hickory nc USA	Way back, I used to run Lakewood Velvet Touch shoes on my Hemi Runner and they were deadly until they warmed up, then unbelievable stopping power.. Man, ain't that the truth. In 1970,I had a set of Lakewood Velvet Touch shoes on a 68 Road Runner. Took both feet to stop it (with power brakes!)until you stopped it a couple of times, but from then on, no fading ever, and great short stopping distances equal to discs.

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: dave571] #608049 02/09/10 11:18 AM 02/09/10 11:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,080 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,080 Niles , Ohio	Ron do you have the 63 converted to a dual master?My kids 62 300 w PB we did a 69 C body master on.Its for a 69 C body with power drums.It stops great even at 100 plus.He does have the factory 12 inch brakes on it.Its amazing how good it stops even with the goofy dual whl cyl setup they used.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: Dougsmopars] #608050 02/09/10 12:26 PM 02/09/10 12:26 PM
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dan9 super stock D Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,023 pa.	i never remember the drum brakes being that bad 40 years ago as mine seem now. i don't really want to convert to discs either. what would you recommend for a master cylinder? linings and master are new but the master just doesn't seem right. it has manual brakes. Last edited by dan9; 02/09/10 12:27 PM.

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: dave571] #608051 02/09/10 01:06 PM 02/09/10 01:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 61 ohio S silverhemiboy OP member
silverhemiboy OP member S Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 61 ohio	Just to answer your question. Yes the motor has been bored and stroked I believe.I am not a hemi motor expert. Some people would say oh no it's ruined. I say more power is good. If you can't see any of the changes all the better. I am not really a numbers type of guy and I plan to drive this trailer queen to the local shows (300-400 miles yr). The car has 52,000 actual miles.I hope people enjoy seeing this bullet drive up instead of being locked up in a temp and humidity controlled garage.

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: silverhemiboy] #608052 02/09/10 01:13 PM 02/09/10 01:13 PM
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DusterMan super street D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 644 Warner Robins, Georgia	Quote: Back in the day, No brake job left the shop without proper arcing of the shoes. Amco made a special machine to surface the shoes to the exact diameter of the drums and leave a uniform finish.. Yep also relined brake shoes too. A lot of people did not even know that they made oversized shoes to for turned drums. Pete: 2003 Dodge Quad 2500 Hemi 69 RoadRunner 4 sp Alpine White 2019 Dodge Charger

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: silverhemiboy] #608053 02/09/10 03:36 PM 02/09/10 03:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,080 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,080 Niles , Ohio	There is a company making hipo shoes for drums.Ive seen them advertised but cant recall the name.Believe I saw them in a Mopar mag.Shoes are supposed to stop better and not have as much fade.If its not a show queen Id go discs.You can always just put it back to stock.My 65 I cant believe how well it stops with discs.I always though the drums were Ok.After the change its a different car.The C body masters seem to work great with either disc or drum.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: improvement on front b body drum brakes [Re: therocks] #608054 02/09/10 08:02 PM 02/09/10 08:02 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 61 ohio S silverhemiboy OP member
silverhemiboy OP member S Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 61 ohio	I know what you are saying about putting on disc brakes. That would cure everything. But to give you an idea of the quality of the car, it won first place in the B body original class @Mopar Nationals. As a result I won't put on disc brakes and will just attempt to optimise the drum brakes to do the best they can. Thanks for your response.

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