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Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids #606288 02/06/10 05:11 PM 02/06/10 05:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington 72roadrunnergtx OP super stock
72roadrunnergtx OP super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington	Besides the overall poor quality manufacturing it takes 15-20 seconds to fully energize when warm. When it does it's so weak the slightest downward pressure causes it to collapse. After 3k miles, plunger shaft boot already has holes wearing through. Just no longer care if it doesn't look original, need it to work and not willing to pay $400-500 for NOS. Pretty sure I saw another post here awhile back about using the Holley generic solenoid and fabricating a bracket for it but couldn't locate it just now. Wanted to give credit where it was due. Here's my version of the Holley solenoid change over. 1972 Road Runner GTX 440 6bbl 5-speed [img]http://72rrgtx.com/carpics/bucket/DSC06730r-1.jpg[/img]

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #606289 02/06/10 05:19 PM 02/06/10 05:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Yea, I hear it allot, pretty sad state of affairs, the reproductions look great on the outside but the manufacturer went cheap on the internal wire and made them weak. Door is wide open for someone to use what's currently available and come up with better internals.

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #606290 02/06/10 05:19 PM 02/06/10 05:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	The holley solenoid looks to me like it'd bolt in place of where your old one was. Looks basically like the stock one to me, with the wire in a different spot. Solenoid "only" costs 75 bucks.

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #606291 02/06/10 05:24 PM 02/06/10 05:24 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington 72roadrunnergtx OP super stock
72roadrunnergtx OP super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington	Pictures are of the replacement modified Holley #46-74 solenoid. Should have mentioned I altered the spade connection to exit out the side rather than straight down and used the repo lower boot. 1972 Road Runner GTX 440 6bbl 5-speed [img]http://72rrgtx.com/carpics/bucket/DSC06730r-1.jpg[/img]

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #606292 02/06/10 05:37 PM 02/06/10 05:37 PM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 441 SF Bay Area, CA charger440sixpak mopar
charger440sixpak mopar Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 441 SF Bay Area, CA	Just curious about the micro-switch on your throttle, is it for the solenoid?

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: charger440sixpak] #606293 02/06/10 07:48 PM 02/06/10 07:48 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington 72roadrunnergtx OP super stock
72roadrunnergtx OP super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington	The micro switch is set up to be part of my A/C compressor auto cut-out circuit. Acts as a simple throttle position switch, closed through 15-20 degrees off idle. Combined with a basic RPM activated switch control, set to about 3k rpms, and a relay the compressor never sees high revs and is automatically shut off when I open up the center carb and forget about having the A/C on. Better angle 1972 Road Runner GTX 440 6bbl 5-speed [img]http://72rrgtx.com/carpics/bucket/DSC06730r-1.jpg[/img]

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #606294 02/06/10 07:58 PM 02/06/10 07:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,167 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,167 Mass	Quote: Besides the overall poor quality manufacturing it takes 15-20 seconds to fully energize when warm. When it does it's so weak the slightest downward pressure causes it to collapse. After 3k miles, plunger shaft boot already has holes wearing through. Just no longer care if it doesn't look original, need it to work and not willing to pay $400-500 for NOS. Pretty sure I saw another post here awhile back about using the Holley generic solenoid and fabricating a bracket for it but couldn't locate it just now. Wanted to give credit where it was due. Here's my version of the Holley solenoid change over. I've done basically the same thing with my 6 pak cars, retrofited with the currently avaliable line of Holley solenoids, that range anywhere from $40-$80,....the "repro" or "reconditioned" factory solenoids offered by various individuals are just plain junk Mike

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: DAYCLONA] #606295 02/06/10 08:34 PM 02/06/10 08:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: $80,....the "repro" or "reconditioned" factory solenoids offered by various individuals are just plain junk Mike Please elaborate

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #606296 02/06/10 10:10 PM 02/06/10 10:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 893 illinois R rbkt65 super stock
rbkt65 super stock R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 893 illinois	does it actually raise up and stay?what is approx distance it will raise?1/4 inch?thanks rick

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: rbkt65] #606297 02/06/10 10:43 PM 02/06/10 10:43 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,127 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah master
Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,127 Rogue River, OR	Thank you for the info. That is a pretty trick setup with the A/C cut out switch also. You might want to add a second throttle return spring. I noticed you only have one and that could be disastrous.

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: Jeremiah] #606298 02/06/10 11:11 PM 02/06/10 11:11 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif. S Snoopy master
Snoopy master S Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif.	NOS original. 5787725-DR1114420.jpg (1147 downloads)

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: Snoopy] #606299 02/06/10 11:12 PM 02/06/10 11:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Snoopy are both of those 420's or are they one in the same?

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #606300 02/06/10 11:13 PM 02/06/10 11:13 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif. S Snoopy master
Snoopy master S Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif.	One solenoid, two views.

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: Snoopy] #606301 02/07/10 12:14 AM 02/07/10 12:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,020 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,020 North Dakota	Anybody who wants to get rid of their junk, toasted solenoids, please PM me. Thanks. "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: 6PakBee] #606302 02/07/10 12:36 AM 02/07/10 12:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: Anybody who wants to get rid of their junk, toasted solenoids, please PM me. Thanks. No kidding X 2!

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #606303 02/07/10 01:23 AM 02/07/10 01:23 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif. S Snoopy master
Snoopy master S Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif.	Does anyone have any experience with the Standard Brand ES6 idle solenoid? Do they exhibit the same weak action as the newer replacement? 5788015-ES6idlesolenoid.jpg (1211 downloads)

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: Snoopy] #606304 02/07/10 05:45 AM 02/07/10 05:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,555 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,555 Las Vegas, NV	I bet that bolts on and works just fine ...... can I have it?

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: Snoopy] #606305 02/07/10 02:20 PM 02/07/10 02:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,547 Puyallup, Wa. S Steve340 pro stock
Steve340 pro stock S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,547 Puyallup, Wa.	I have used that ES6 before it it works fine and is very close to the original, other than the gold bracket.

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: Steve340] #606306 02/07/10 02:36 PM 02/07/10 02:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Any of the older OEM style replacment solenoids (such as the Standard example shown above) normally work fine. I have swapped the inner workings of those into older original cases to make them functional again after a replating job when the original internals are corroded or damaged.

Re: Had it with the reproduction six-pack idle solenoids [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #606307 02/07/10 04:31 PM 02/07/10 04:31 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington 72roadrunnergtx OP super stock
72roadrunnergtx OP super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington	Quote: Quote: Anybody who wants to get rid of their junk, toasted solenoids, please PM me. Thanks. No kidding X 2! You guys want these POS junk repos too? 1972 Road Runner GTX 440 6bbl 5-speed [img]http://72rrgtx.com/carpics/bucket/DSC06730r-1.jpg[/img]

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