Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
[Re: HotRodDave]
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920 heads? are they closed chamber like the 302s? I did mine,open chamber318heads,milled .050 and replaced the valves with nail head valves instead of stock tulip,lose a couple ccs there also,also went 188/160 over 178/150 valve size machine shop set me up and said slightly over 1 point in compresson ratio is what I got said doing the 302s on a 9.0 comp teen,mill them .020 and lose the tulip valves,going 188/160 and would get about 9.7-9.8 comp on a stock pistion myself,I have no clue if that is correct,hes been around and is very good,has done plenty of them ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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I am not debateing the e-85 thing, it runs fine as is with no carb modifications. I just want to take advantage of the extra octane. I curantly have 302 heads and KB167 flat tops .005 below deck and felpro .039 gaskets. I am looking for at least 1 full point increase and would really prefer 2 points. I have a set of 920 heads sitting around and wondering how the CCs of the 2 different heads compare so I know how much to mill to get the desired effect. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif) Yes the 920 is a 1 year only casting from 67 273s and 318. It is closed chamber and looks like a smaller chamber, but I know looks can be deceiving and does not give me a number.
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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ok got it now... 67 only 273/318 closed chamger heads by the way...are they heart shaped? I never have seen one up close off an engine could you maybe post a pic of the chamber of the 920 head I would like to see the differance in the shape of the 920s to the 302s if they are smaller,I know where to score me a set to use ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif)
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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05/21/08 11:55 AM
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KB makes a 5 cc dome, that looks like it might work with 302's...it would hit on mag heads, though...
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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I am ONLY considering how I can raise the compression with a head swap and gasket change, not a piston swap or deck milling. I have these 920s and thought I could get a VJ and mill them and have them ready to swap one day after work. Acording to the link above I have about 62cc heads on it and the 920s are about 65cc so I definately need to mill them. Any one know how much to mill them to take away about 10cc? As much as I would like to I can not afford a cam swap to put some milled mags on it or I would. Unless someone wants to trade a brand new XE268h for a XE250H or something very similar ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1343795-scratchchin.gif) .
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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i had my 68 318 swaped in a set of stock 302s and a 340 stick shift hyd cam, small 4 brrl 360 manifolds.. and from the look of my 68 heads vs the 302, im sure the 302s raised up the CR some, but im not sure how much.. and it ran pretty good to.. best way to fine out is to pull off your original head, measure the ccs, messure and find out how far you piston is in the hole, and them messure the 302 heads w/ the gasket.. then you will know approx what you will have and or gained..i dont thing it will be much, but the swirl port will be a benifit to you as well.. if it was me id do it, with larger valves and good VJ and bolt them on with a .028 head gasket and a good small port intake..
it will run good and im sure you will love it..
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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I have some untouched 302 heads here from an engine I just took apart. I'll try CC them if I can...
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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I have asked on here before and most guys say they are more like .028 to .030 compressed. I have tight piston to wall clearances, I don't remember the number but it was the KB minimum. That should give keep piston rock to a minimum. Also since it never goes over 5000 rpm I figure it will be fine. Also the hypers expand less than other pistons. A note on your head gasket measuremennt the curent felpros have more like a 4.16 bore vs the mopar gaskets 4.06 bore. That means it will be a bigger increase than you stated. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif)
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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I have asked on here before and most guys say they are more like .028 to .030 compressed.
I have tight piston to wall clearances, I don't remember the number but it was the KB minimum. That should give keep piston rock to a minimum. Also since it never goes over 5000 rpm I figure it will be fine. Also the hypers expand less than other pistons.
A note on your head gasket measuremennt the curent felpros have more like a 4.16 bore vs the mopar gaskets 4.06 bore. That means it will be a bigger increase than you stated.
9.627 to 1 then with that bore head gasket you got now. The other predicted number would stay the same of course. If I remember right I get about .002 of top of the piston tip from side to side myself but I cant remember my piston to wall clearance. Yah I agree, under 5 grand, I doubt you would need to worry about the piston to head clearance at .028 gasket and .005 in the hole.
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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The factory didn't get true 9 to 1 because the pistons were so far in the hole and the chambers on pretty much all mopar heads are bigger than advertised.
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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why are 70' 318"'s rated at 9.0 compression, but dont make it?
what will happen with the national backorder? arent they discontinued due to moparPerformance.
Summit, Mancini and Jegs told me they expect the Mopar SB head gaskets at the end of the first week of June or so they are being told anyhow. I couldnt wait so I ordered a set of Mr Gasket .028 head gaskets through Summit, the part number is 1121. I got them today, and I tell you what I will almost swear to it that they are the same gasket as the MP's. They are white embossed sticky material on a steel gasket just identical to the set of Mopar ones I had to remove off an unfired engine because I forgot to have the inner step cut off the valve guides area of my J heads for the double springs. I called Mr Gasket in Cleveland before I called Summit to see if they had them on shelf in their warehouse and they said yeah got plenty. Summit doesnt stock them and they call them special order. Same goes for Jegs. Summit then had them dropped shipped to me direct. Only problem is they charged like $48.95 for the set of Mr G's versus the $35 they charge for the MP's. Though dollars to doghnuts says they are the same gasket. They look IDENTICAL.
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Re: 318 head CCs ? Compression increase needed!
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My early open chamber 318 heads measured at 64 CC. I can't say about the stock pistons, all the 318 I have (or had) laying around were .030 over, but the replacement pistons were more than .100 down in the hole. Just as a side note, I suggest that no one should believe any high compression claims on any 318 engines, unless verified by measuring. Ran
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