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Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? #604879 02/05/10 01:14 PM 02/05/10 01:14 PM
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TheOtherDodge OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	Haven't followed offseason but there are only 6 Dodges total? And Kasey Khane went to a Ford? Looks like Dodge may just completely drop out... Guess Im way behind the times.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #604880 02/05/10 01:19 PM 02/05/10 01:19 PM
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11secdart master 1 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,976 new jersey usa	90% of the field is Toyotas now maybe their gas pedals will stick like the street versions and cause some cool crashes. 68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: 11secdart] #604881 02/05/10 01:27 PM 02/05/10 01:27 PM
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Dave Watt master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana	Talked with a buddy of mine last weekend. He has worked for Dodge Motorsports for the last few years but is in another division now. He says yes, the budget has been cut back due to obvious economic reasons. Dodge will focus all of their engineering on Penske Motorsports. Both are optimistic because all of the work will be on the Penske cars and will not have numerous distractions of trying to get the struggling teams up to speed as in the past. Yes, Kasey Kahne will be one of the Fords of RPM racing.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: 11secdart] #604882 02/05/10 01:56 PM 02/05/10 01:56 PM
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theclutcher top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio	Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting...

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: theclutcher] #604883 02/05/10 02:52 PM 02/05/10 02:52 PM
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b1dartsport super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania	Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting... Yea,probably within the next couple of years the other 10% will be Hyundais and Maybe we will end up having the Tokyo & Seoul 500s

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: b1dartsport] #604884 02/05/10 03:13 PM 02/05/10 03:13 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,872 Weddington, N.C.	A friend of mine close to NASCAR said that over 3000 people in the Chalotte area with NASCAR related jobs were let go last year. It has become even more generic than ever...Like watching a Camry IROC race anymore. I remmber the good old days when you could spot a Charger, A Monte Carlo or a torino coming off of turn 2 heading into the back stretch while sitting at the Start/Finish line...Even if all the cars were painted Grey primer. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Streetwize] #604885 02/05/10 03:16 PM 02/05/10 03:16 PM
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Prostock I Live Here P Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,120 City of Champions	You could take some Dodge stickers and put them on the Toyota's. No difference between the two.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Prostock] #604886 02/05/10 04:02 PM 02/05/10 04:02 PM
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ccarson enthusiast C Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 293 Michigan	Your right I dont think this is what NASCAR had in mind, or maybe it is??? but even from 10 years ago the the whole thing is a driver popularity contest, who smiles the nicest and looks good on camera what they drive is unimportant.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: ccarson] #604887 02/05/10 04:05 PM 02/05/10 04:05 PM
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Georg super stock Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 769 Europa, Estonia	90% of rice shi``!? Outlaw Plymouth Valiant R5/P7 Powered by Liuzzo Racing COMP Performance Group dealer in Baltic Premium Performance

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Prostock] #604888 02/05/10 04:10 PM 02/05/10 04:10 PM
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Hoof Hearted top fuel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,179 S.E. Conn	Quote: You could take some Dodge stickers and put them on the Toyota's. No difference between the two. I hear they've got Nascar races planned in China later this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJowTNP_QVk 2005 300C Hemi 2014 Ram ProMaster 2500 I Rekey, Repin old Chrysler locks and cut keys by code

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Streetwize] #604889 02/05/10 04:30 PM 02/05/10 04:30 PM
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maximum entropy master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	Quote: I remmber the good old days when you could spot a Charger, A Monte Carlo or a torino coming off of turn 2 heading into the back stretch while sitting at the Start/Finish line...Even if all the cars were painted Grey primer. AND NO PIT ROAD SPEED LIMIT! for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Dave Watt] #604890 02/05/10 06:08 PM 02/05/10 06:08 PM
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Wheeler Master W Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,316 Great White North	Quote: Talked with a buddy of mine last weekend. He has worked for Dodge Motorsports for the last few years but is in another division now. He says yes, the budget has been cut back due to obvious economic reasons. Dodge will focus all of their engineering on Penske Motorsports. Both are optimistic because all of the work will be on the Penske cars and will not have numerous distractions of trying to get the struggling teams up to speed as in the past. Yes, Kasey Kahne will be one of the Fords of RPM racing. Thanks for the info Dave. I wonder if Dodge will try to get Kasey Kahne back in the fold once his contract is up at the end of the season. I know Mopar & Dodge sponsors his World of Outlaws sprint car and USAC midget teams. Can your friend shed any light on this?

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: 11secdart] #604891 02/05/10 08:05 PM 02/05/10 08:05 PM
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actionange top fuel A Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,627 anywhere@ anytime	Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas now maybe their gas pedals will stick like the street versions and cause some cool crashes. I've driven my 2007 Camry over 100k and it still hasn't stuck! By VIN it's one that has the dreaded gas pedal problem. Wish it would so I can go for a wild ride or...

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: actionange] #604892 02/05/10 08:27 PM 02/05/10 08:27 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	They were interviewing Kasey Kahne yesterday about his new Ford/Yates/Roush power. He was talking about how he thought they'd do much better this year with all that the Ford powerplant! Funny, but the Roush cars SUCKED last year while Kasey actually won a couple with Dodge power!

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? #604893 02/05/10 09:21 PM 02/05/10 09:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,789 Detroit Michigan drbill master
drbill master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,789 Detroit Michigan	Quote: They were interviewing Kasey Kahne yesterday about his new Ford/Yates/Roush power. He was talking about how he thought they'd do much better this year with all that the Ford powerplant! Funny, but the Roush cars SUCKED last year while Kasey actually won a couple with Dodge power! Ford has a new engine program this year, they are replacing the 351W engine thats been around in it current state since 1991. So who knows how that will affect things.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: drbill] #604894 02/05/10 09:53 PM 02/05/10 09:53 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: They were interviewing Kasey Kahne yesterday about his new Ford/Yates/Roush power. He was talking about how he thought they'd do much better this year with all that the Ford powerplant! Funny, but the Roush cars SUCKED last year while Kasey actually won a couple with Dodge power! Ford has a new engine program this year, they are replacing the 351W engine thats been around in it current state since 1991. So who knows how that will affect things. Dodge got a new engine package the end of last year as well IIRC.... ...and they've had time to test it under race conditions too! Penske's going to be TOUGH this year mark my words!

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Wheeler] #604895 02/05/10 10:47 PM 02/05/10 10:47 PM
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Dave Watt master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana	Quote: Thanks for the info Dave. I wonder if Dodge will try to get Kasey Kahne back in the fold once his contract is up at the end of the season. I know Mopar & Dodge sponsors his World of Outlaws sprint car and USAC midget teams. Can your friend shed any light on this? I'll ask him but we didn't discuss Kasey but you are probably right that Dodge would like to have him back. If you've been to a race, you know how popular he is, especially with the women.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Wheeler] #604896 02/06/10 02:37 AM 02/06/10 02:37 AM
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StrokerPost master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 6,847 Missouri	Quote: I wonder if Dodge will try to get Kasey Kahne back in the fold once his contract is up at the end of the season. I know Mopar & Dodge sponsors his World of Outlaws sprint car and USAC midget teams. Keselowski is currently in the 12 car for Penski but I doubt seriously if that'll be more than a year long deal. He is a Hendricks guy at heart and that is where he wants to be. Reason I say all that is it would be cool to see Kasey jump over to Penski after this year, BUT, with Miller Light as Busch's sponsor theres no way Bud could go with Kasey but thats the only option for him to get back into a Dodge, unless he comes back with KASEY KAYNE MOTORSPORTS

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: StrokerPost] #604897 02/06/10 11:41 PM 02/06/10 11:41 PM
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deansrr top fuel Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,034 NW Indiana	I believe it's time to change their name, nothing stock about these cars!!! lets go back to the good old days, buy a car from a dealer, make it safe and go racing 1973 Road Runner 1974 Satellite (for sale) 1973 240z (wifes) 1993 Ramcharger (thanks Devil) 2002 Honda S2000

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: deansrr] #604898 02/07/10 01:56 AM 02/07/10 01:56 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	30? years ago nascar figured out to push the factories/cars aside and make the drivers the "stars", since they could be controlled. Nascar wants the "easy" solution, make the most money for the least effort, 3rd generation Frances have gotten lazy, and listening/refereeing each week which car make had an advanatge was to much work for them therefore, COT. Fixes are easy and very cost effective: a. Factory Sheet Metal, a lot cheaper and better for the fans b. Sponsor decals on say less the 50% of car, I like to see the car c. 93 octane gas, cheaper, and helps the average driver's car engine get refined d. 7 liters OK, they sound meaner e. 1 Air Wrench over the pit wall, cut out frivolous pit stops f. No lucky Dog nonsense, enough said g. Control speeds by choosing tire widths on a track by track basis, a race on 7" tires is just as good as one on 10.5" tires, and it will keep ALL the teams searching for the right balance/handling package, drivers get to use the gas pedal as they see fit, rather putting a brick on it. h. And NO plates, see g. above NEVER HAPPEN Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Dave Watt] #604899 02/07/10 03:54 AM 02/07/10 03:54 AM
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Evil Spirit master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,699 Newport, Mi	Quote: Quote: Thanks for the info Dave. I wonder if Dodge will try to get Kasey Kahne back in the fold once his contract is up at the end of the season. I know Mopar & Dodge sponsors his World of Outlaws sprint car and USAC midget teams. Can your friend shed any light on this? I'll ask him but we didn't discuss Kasey but you are probably right that Dodge would like to have him back. If you've been to a race, you know how popular he is, especially with the women. Kahne didn't jump ship - Petty Motorsports, who Kasey is under contract to drive for (through this year), did. So don't blame Kasey for driving a Ford - blame "King Richard". And as openly vocal as Kahne has been with the lack of direction at RPM last year, unless there are BIG changes made there he will probably be driving for someone else next year; Stewart-Haas being one of the frontrunners. As to there being "90%" Toyotas in NASCAR, there are 54 cars entered into the Daytona 500; 17(31%) Chevys, 13(24%) Fords, 6(11%) Dodges, and 18(33%) Toyotas; granted - more Toyotas than I would like to see, but nowhere near the "90%" that a few of the other posts suggest. Free advice and worth every penny... Factory trained Slinky rewinder.........

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: 11secdart] #604900 02/07/10 08:03 AM 02/07/10 08:03 AM
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torredcuda super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 NH	Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas now maybe their gas pedals will stick like the street versions and cause some cool crashes. and Nascar wonders why thier ratings have dropped! https://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.hunt.750/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Northeast-Mighty-Mopar-Club/365435766974452?ref=aymt_homepage_panel `72 Barracuda 340/4spd `70 road runner 383/auto `73 road runner 400/4spd `76 W100 clubcab

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #604901 02/07/10 10:15 AM 02/07/10 10:15 AM
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40ford mopar addict 4 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 572 Shelbyville, TN USA	It all comes down to money----and Dodge has the least amount to spend----and has the least amount of cars running their brand. Toyota spends a lot, a lot of money on factory support. Ford spends a lot too, GM still spends a lot(although how I don't know considering the government backing). Dodge has just lost too much money to continue Nascar funding. Ddoge has also cut back on NHRA funding as well. Forget about "brand loyality" of the racers----it just doesn't exist for most racers, it's all about the money. There are a few exceptions but not many. Like most of you, I would like to see the race cars more closely resemble the actual cars driven on the streets---but I also understand the reasons for the Nascar specifications. Todays street versions would not be safe at superspeedway speeds and aerodynamics greatly influence the performance of today's race cars.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: actionange] #604902 02/07/10 10:25 AM 02/07/10 10:25 AM
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DaKuda super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South	Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas now maybe their gas pedals will stick like the street versions and cause some cool crashes. I've driven my 2007 Camry over 100k and it still hasn't stuck! By VIN it's one that has the dreaded gas pedal problem. Wish it would so I can go for a wild ride or... Thats the only way to go for a "wild ride" in a Camry...

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: 40ford] #604903 02/07/10 10:40 AM 02/07/10 10:40 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: Todays street versions would not be safe at superspeedway speeds and aerodynamics greatly influence the performance of today's race cars. I thought the reason they have a gas pedal is so when the DRIVER thinks he is going too fast (ie unsafe) he lifts a little, until HE feels safe. And since the aero qualities of real stock cars is so poor, they have much more drag and likely somewhat slower anyway. I'll take stock looking over front ground dragging splitters anyday. Cars race fine on slick surfaces (rain, dirt, etc) without aero grip, they will do fine in NASCAR, just lacking the will, IMO. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: jcc] #604904 02/07/10 12:24 PM 02/07/10 12:24 PM
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67HEMI super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 902 Mopar Lane,Mississippi	Mark Martin is a good example of brand loyalty going by the wayside. Raced Fords forever,owns a Ford dealership and now is racing a chevy. And thanks to him Dodges finished last and next to last in the Bud shootout '33 Plymouth 5 Window Coupe Blown Aluminum HEMI w/bolt ons (under construction) '69 Chrysler 300 Convertible 375 HP 440 '71 Plymouth Duster 360 W/EFI (Wife's Ride) '12 Ram MegaCab Dually 6.7 Cummins

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: jcc] #604905 02/07/10 12:26 PM 02/07/10 12:26 PM
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11secdart master 1 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,976 new jersey usa	I didn`t have time to sit down with a calculator like you and figure out the actual percentage of Toyotas. All I know is there are too many Toyotas and not enough Dodges for me which is why I have no real interest in Nascar anymore. 68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: jcc] #604906 02/07/10 12:37 PM 02/07/10 12:37 PM
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BEEQUIK top fuel Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,495 Richmond , Virginia	Maybe Nascar will go bankrupt and then the gov't can bail them out . then a new racing class will start called U.S.CAR.Then we can go fast,we can go back to the car of yesterday,and swear without being fined,and all will be back to normal!!

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: BEEQUIK] #604907 02/07/10 12:56 PM 02/07/10 12:56 PM
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theclutcher top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio	Need that new sanctioning body and class and no Boogie Boogie Boogie narrator.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: BEEQUIK] #604908 02/07/10 03:16 PM 02/07/10 03:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: Maybe Nascar will go bankrupt and then the gov't can bail them out . then a new racing class will start called U.S.CAR.Then we can go fast,we can go back to the car of yesterday,and swear without being fined,and all will be back to normal!! Only thing I would add, get rid of the drivers perfect pretty boy $150 haircuts and just drive. Bet RP never spent $150 his whole racing career on harircuts. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #604909 02/07/10 04:51 PM 02/07/10 04:51 PM
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LSP pro stock L Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,313 Charlotte, NC	Be thankful that Dodge has the 6 cars, on the engine side, Dodge Motorsports' engineering is down to 1 guy. There is NO brand loyalty among any driver, it's about nothing but following the $$$$$$$. And if anyone's thinking that all NASCAR drivers are chosen by teams because they are fastest on the track.............wrong, some are, but quite a few aren't. Depend's on how fat daddy's checkbook is. There are short track guys that can run circles around clowns like Reed Sorenson, Casey Mears, etc, but they don't get the ride, cause they won't, or can't write the check, sad but true.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: LSP] #604910 02/07/10 05:06 PM 02/07/10 05:06 PM
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gregsrt top fuel Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,431 SK,Canada	I think they should get away from the family sedan/C.O.T and switch to a 2 door car, Challenger, Mustang, Camaro, Avalon and get away from the C.O.T design and that would make it more interesting An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: gregsrt] #604911 02/07/10 05:12 PM 02/07/10 05:12 PM
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LSP pro stock L Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,313 Charlotte, NC	Quote: I think they should get away from the family sedan/C.O.T and switch to a 2 door car, Challenger, Mustang, Camaro, Avalon and get away from the C.O.T design and that would make it more interesting The new Nationwide Series cars will Challengers and Mustangs, GM is still the same for some reason though.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: b1dartsport] #604912 02/07/10 07:23 PM 02/07/10 07:23 PM
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fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting... Yea,probably within the next couple of years the other 10% will be Hyundais and Maybe we will end up having the Tokyo & Seoul 500s Either you guys are retarded or to stupid to count Chevy 18 cars Toyota 17 cars Ford 13 cars And bringing up the rear is Dodge 6 cars Them NASCAR boys down south will use whatever is the best fit for the sponsor(you know the ones who make it possible to race)and has little to do with brand loyalty. Like I always say there are only a small handful of guys in this board that can tell these engines apart without the sheet metal.There is no difference in these cars anyway so why cry about it If Toyota can keep a team afloat for a full season putting guys like us to work in race shops then it's all good. Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #604913 02/07/10 09:20 PM 02/07/10 09:20 PM
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bigblock4x4 mopar B Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 459 pana illinois	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting... Yea,probably within the next couple of years the other 10% will be Hyundais and Maybe we will end up having the Tokyo & Seoul 500s Either you guys are retarded or to stupid to count Chevy 18 cars Toyota 17 cars Ford 13 cars And bringing up the rear is Dodge 6 cars Them NASCAR boys down south will use whatever is the best fit for the sponsor(you know the ones who make it possible to race)and has little to do with brand loyalty. Like I always say there are only a small handful of guys in this board that can tell these engines apart without the sheet metal.There is no difference in these cars anyway so why cry about it If Toyota can keep a team afloat for a full season putting guys like us to work in race shops then it's all good. Gus their really is no difference what we all think,petty corp.suck,kasey kahne is a pu for not telling petty to go to h*when he switched over to those JUNK FORDS,I hope he wrecks his car every race he is in and a toyota wrecks him just dont want him too get hurt though.i dont know why anyone on moparts forums would be upholdin toyotas unless he/she were an uncle tom and deep down inside they were traitors too our brand.I have made a few mistakes by driving brand x vehicles but,at least,they were american built.Dang we gotta stick together either you are a mopar man or your not ya cant ride the fence

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: bigblock4x4] #604914 02/07/10 10:44 PM 02/07/10 10:44 PM
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mopars4ever I Live Here M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,573 md	Will be a lot less fans in the stands with all the rice burners doing circles.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: bigblock4x4] #604915 02/07/10 10:48 PM 02/07/10 10:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting... Yea,probably within the next couple of years the other 10% will be Hyundais and Maybe we will end up having the Tokyo & Seoul 500s Either you guys are retarded or to stupid to count Chevy 18 cars Toyota 17 cars Ford 13 cars And bringing up the rear is Dodge 6 cars Them NASCAR boys down south will use whatever is the best fit for the sponsor(you know the ones who make it possible to race)and has little to do with brand loyalty. Like I always say there are only a small handful of guys in this board that can tell these engines apart without the sheet metal.There is no difference in these cars anyway so why cry about it If Toyota can keep a team afloat for a full season putting guys like us to work in race shops then it's all good. Gus their really is no difference what we all think,petty corp.suck,kasey kahne is a pu for not telling petty to go to h*when he switched over to those JUNK FORDS,I hope he wrecks his car every race he is in and a toyota wrecks him just dont want him too get hurt though.i dont know why anyone on moparts forums would be upholdin toyotas unless he/she were an uncle tom and deep down inside they were traitors too our brand.I have made a few mistakes by driving brand x vehicles but,at least,they were american built.Dang we gotta stick together either you are a mopar man or your not ya cant ride the fence Well I don't ride any fences but I do earn a very nice living wrenching on Toyota cars and trucks for a living.With this money I buy parts from many suppliers on this board so whats wrong with that I was trying to point out that there is NOT 90% Toyotas in NASCAR. If you knew anything you would know that GM and Ford have dominated the sport for decades.Obviously there is something wrong with Dodge because nobody wants to run them Maybe in your infinite wisdom about the auto industry you could enlighten me to the problem with Dodge and why nobody will race them in NASCAR. Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: LSP] #604916 02/07/10 11:49 PM 02/07/10 11:49 PM
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40ford mopar addict 4 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 572 Shelbyville, TN USA	You just exposed one of the best kept, most dreadful secrets in Nascar----rides are often bought, especially in trucks and Busch series. I am sure some are bought in Cup as well. The going price in trucks several years ago was $50K/race ( 1 Mil/yr.)plus repair, etc. I am sure the price has gone up in the past few years.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #604917 02/08/10 12:01 AM 02/08/10 12:01 AM
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strokin73cuda enthusiast S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 228 northeast texas	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting... Yea,probably within the next couple of years the other 10% will be Hyundais and Maybe we will end up having the Tokyo & Seoul 500s Either you guys are retarded or to stupid to count Chevy 18 cars Toyota 17 cars Ford 13 cars And bringing up the rear is Dodge 6 cars Them NASCAR boys down south will use whatever is the best fit for the sponsor(you know the ones who make it possible to race)and has little to do with brand loyalty. Like I always say there are only a small handful of guys in this board that can tell these engines apart without the sheet metal.There is no difference in these cars anyway so why cry about it If Toyota can keep a team afloat for a full season putting guys like us to work in race shops then it's all good. Gus their really is no difference what we all think,petty corp.suck,kasey kahne is a pu for not telling petty to go to h*when he switched over to those JUNK FORDS,I hope he wrecks his car every race he is in and a toyota wrecks him just dont want him too get hurt though.i dont know why anyone on moparts forums would be upholdin toyotas unless he/she were an uncle tom and deep down inside they were traitors too our brand.I have made a few mistakes by driving brand x vehicles but,at least,they were american built.Dang we gotta stick together either you are a mopar man or your not ya cant ride the fence Well I don't ride any fences but I do earn a very nice living wrenching on Toyota cars and trucks for a living.With this money I buy parts from many suppliers on this board so whats wrong with that I was trying to point out that there is NOT 90% Toyotas in NASCAR. If you knew anything you would know that GM and Ford have dominated the sport for decades.Obviously there is something wrong with Dodge because nobody wants to run them Maybe in your infinite wisdom about the auto industry you could enlighten me to the problem with Dodge and why nobody will race them in NASCAR. Gus I am no racer or even engine builder butt I can do as you ask. Nothing is wrong with Ma Mopar, just that the buck is not her favor. We all know with the restrictions on the cars it gives more favor to some cars and not so much to others, this leaves driving a big factor, who's the best driver? I used to watch it religiously with my dad (RIP) 20 plus years ago, not anymore. But now that the playing field is equal and Danica can be competitive in nascar though I think shes fine just the way she is just goes to prove this. The car companies have been owned by our gov. scince the early 70s face it. 496 stroker,Indy srs , new best 6.87 @ 98 1.46 60'

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: strokin73cuda] #604918 02/08/10 08:43 AM 02/08/10 08:43 AM
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1972cudaguy Basement Office Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 684 Amherst , Ohio	even more reason to cheer the underdogs , hope Penske & Dodge working together can show what can be done on a smaller budget rather than Toyota just coming in & throwing all kinds of cash around . That's what I think finally pushed Tony into starting his own team , he hated saying "my Camry did this & that" https://www.customwiresets.com/home.php

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #604919 02/11/10 11:50 AM 02/11/10 11:50 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio T theclutcher top fuel
theclutcher top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting... Yea,probably within the next couple of years the other 10% will be Hyundais and Maybe we will end up having the Tokyo & Seoul 500s Either you guys are retarded or to stupid to count Chevy 18 cars Toyota 17 cars Ford 13 cars And bringing up the rear is Dodge 6 cars Them NASCAR boys down south will use whatever is the best fit for the sponsor(you know the ones who make it possible to race)and has little to do with brand loyalty. Like I always say there are only a small handful of guys in this board that can tell these engines apart without the sheet metal.There is no difference in these cars anyway so why cry about it If Toyota can keep a team afloat for a full season putting guys like us to work in race shops then it's all good. Gus their really is no difference what we all think,petty corp.suck,kasey kahne is a pu for not telling petty to go to h*when he switched over to those JUNK FORDS,I hope he wrecks his car every race he is in and a toyota wrecks him just dont want him too get hurt though.i dont know why anyone on moparts forums would be upholdin toyotas unless he/she were an uncle tom and deep down inside they were traitors too our brand.I have made a few mistakes by driving brand x vehicles but,at least,they were american built.Dang we gotta stick together either you are a mopar man or your not ya cant ride the fence Well I don't ride any fences but I do earn a very nice living wrenching on Toyota cars and trucks for a living.With this money I buy parts from many suppliers on this board so whats wrong with that I was trying to point out that there is NOT 90% Toyotas in NASCAR. If you knew anything you would know that GM and Ford have dominated the sport for decades.Obviously there is something wrong with Dodge because nobody wants to run them Maybe in your infinite wisdom about the auto industry you could enlighten me to the problem with Dodge and why nobody will race them in NASCAR. Gus You may be the one lacking reasonable intelligence. the 90% quote was a facecious number, of course we can count. Calling us retards and stupid dont cut it. Only those with an open mind are capable of enlightenment and it appears you have all the answers already. Dont you have some recalls to fix on those wonderful yoda's?

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: theclutcher] #604920 02/11/10 12:49 PM 02/11/10 12:49 PM
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DemonDust master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	I would love to see Dodge come out on top with little funding. The engine quality is second to none, if any of you have ever seen the inside of these things. But like you say Toyota is here now throwing money around like water. I thought the Dodge stuff was beautiful but I seen some internals from a toyota and Holy sh!T I didn't know engine parts could look so beautiful. But I still wouldn't buy the Toyota parts. Brand loyalty is where it's at! If these guys would buck up and stick to their guns instead of going where the money is... Guess what?? The money wouldn't be there cause no one is going there So toyota would be offering all this money but if no one went to those stupid rice burners toyota would have nothing. But since people have no pride in this country anymore, money seems to buy your loyalty... SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: DemonDust] #604921 02/11/10 07:06 PM 02/11/10 07:06 PM
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3ddart pro stock 3 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,466 malvern, ohio	with the low funding the dodges won't make much of a showing against the blue oval, the bull oval and the bowties. just my

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: 3ddart] #604922 02/11/10 09:03 PM 02/11/10 09:03 PM
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71383beep top fuel 7 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,647 IL	Just curious... Is there any validity that NASCAR has overly regulated Dodge as compared to allowances granted to Toyota regarding spoilers, hp, drag, etc? I remember when Toyota first entered and they had a long way to go. Now its something like 2 or 3 years now and a lot of drivers are switching to them because it seems like out of now where they suddenly became competitive. I always thought that the France family's feud with Dodge/Plymouth never really cooled over the years which was why dodge never really has been too competitive. Here-say I know, but they did some pretty uncool stuff to Mopar back in the day. Just curious... '73 GK6 Challenger Rallye - 340 4-Speed

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: 71383beep] #604923 02/11/10 09:42 PM 02/11/10 09:42 PM
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slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,171 Park Forest, IL	Figure into it that Toyota has more money to spend on R&D than Mopar, and the fact that much of their technology was gained from Bill Davis when he had Dodges, and the learning curve becomes a lot less steep. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: theclutcher] #604924 02/11/10 11:30 PM 02/11/10 11:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting... Yea,probably within the next couple of years the other 10% will be Hyundais and Maybe we will end up having the Tokyo & Seoul 500s Either you guys are retarded or to stupid to count Chevy 18 cars Toyota 17 cars Ford 13 cars And bringing up the rear is Dodge 6 cars Them NASCAR boys down south will use whatever is the best fit for the sponsor(you know the ones who make it possible to race)and has little to do with brand loyalty. Like I always say there are only a small handful of guys in this board that can tell these engines apart without the sheet metal.There is no difference in these cars anyway so why cry about it If Toyota can keep a team afloat for a full season putting guys like us to work in race shops then it's all good. Gus their really is no difference what we all think,petty corp.suck,kasey kahne is a pu for not telling petty to go to h*when he switched over to those JUNK FORDS,I hope he wrecks his car every race he is in and a toyota wrecks him just dont want him too get hurt though.i dont know why anyone on moparts forums would be upholdin toyotas unless he/she were an uncle tom and deep down inside they were traitors too our brand.I have made a few mistakes by driving brand x vehicles but,at least,they were american built.Dang we gotta stick together either you are a mopar man or your not ya cant ride the fence Well I don't ride any fences but I do earn a very nice living wrenching on Toyota cars and trucks for a living.With this money I buy parts from many suppliers on this board so whats wrong with that I was trying to point out that there is NOT 90% Toyotas in NASCAR. If you knew anything you would know that GM and Ford have dominated the sport for decades.Obviously there is something wrong with Dodge because nobody wants to run them Maybe in your infinite wisdom about the auto industry you could enlighten me to the problem with Dodge and why nobody will race them in NASCAR. Gus You may be the one lacking reasonable intelligence. the 90% quote was a facecious number, of course we can count. Calling us retards and stupid dont cut it. Only those with an open mind are capable of enlightenment and it appears you have all the answers already. Dont you have some recalls to fix on those wonderful yoda's? Well you claim that you can count but you cannot spell The correct spelling is "FACETIOUS" and yes I have been making some great money doing re-calls Hey do you still have that flywheel for $200.00 If you do let me know Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #604925 02/12/10 12:50 AM 02/12/10 12:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt.	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: 90% of the field is Toyotas Absolutely disgusting... Yea,probably within the next couple of years the other 10% will be Hyundais and Maybe we will end up having the Tokyo & Seoul 500s Either you guys are retarded or to stupid to count Chevy 18 cars Toyota 17 cars Ford 13 cars And bringing up the rear is Dodge 6 cars Them NASCAR boys down south will use whatever is the best fit for the sponsor(you know the ones who make it possible to race)and has little to do with brand loyalty. Like I always say there are only a small handful of guys in this board that can tell these engines apart without the sheet metal.There is no difference in these cars anyway so why cry about it If Toyota can keep a team afloat for a full season putting guys like us to work in race shops then it's all good. Gus their really is no difference what we all think,petty corp.suck,kasey kahne is a pu for not telling petty to go to h*when he switched over to those JUNK FORDS,I hope he wrecks his car every race he is in and a toyota wrecks him just dont want him too get hurt though.i dont know why anyone on moparts forums would be upholdin toyotas unless he/she were an uncle tom and deep down inside they were traitors too our brand.I have made a few mistakes by driving brand x vehicles but,at least,they were american built.Dang we gotta stick together either you are a mopar man or your not ya cant ride the fence Well I don't ride any fences but I do earn a very nice living wrenching on Toyota cars and trucks for a living.With this money I buy parts from many suppliers on this board so whats wrong with that I was trying to point out that there is NOT 90% Toyotas in NASCAR. If you knew anything you would know that GM and Ford have dominated the sport for decades.Obviously there is something wrong with Dodge because nobody wants to run them Maybe in your infinite wisdom about the auto industry you could enlighten me to the problem with Dodge and why nobody will race them in NASCAR. Gus You may be the one lacking reasonable intelligence. the 90% quote was a facecious number, of course we can count. Calling us retards and stupid dont cut it. Only those with an open mind are capable of enlightenment and it appears you have all the answers already. Dont you have some recalls to fix on those wonderful yoda's? Well you claim that you can count but you cannot spell The correct spelling is "FACETIOUS" and yes I have been making some great money doing re-calls Hey do you still have that flywheel for $200.00 If you do let me know Gus The AOA recall is my new best friend I do think the camry in NASCAR is a joke though, and to be honest at least dodge is calling there NASCAR the same thing as there V8 rear wheel drive car unlike any of the others. I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #604926 02/12/10 01:01 AM 02/12/10 01:01 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio T theclutcher top fuel
theclutcher top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio	Heck that wheel was gone for more than that a while back, should have jumped on it. Sorry. Yeah I mispelled a word and I flunked calculus too. Mostly due to being in a hurry with life like right now. Gotta go, Letterman making good joke about toyota. Oh and that word doesnt get capitalized on purpose. It does deserve a good tho. Havent seen the duels yet, dont know how many Dodges in. Last edited by theclutcher; 02/12/10 01:03 AM.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: theclutcher] #604927 02/12/10 07:18 AM 02/12/10 07:18 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,709 NJ central S Scamp408 master
Scamp408 master S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,709 NJ central	How many people are a part of Moparts? how many of them have a Chrysler product in the driveway that they use everyday?

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Scamp408] #604928 02/12/10 11:27 AM 02/12/10 11:27 AM
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DemonDust master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Quote: How many people are a part of Moparts? how many of them have a Chrysler product in the driveway that they use everyday? Mopar or no car here.... Never owned anything else SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Scamp408] #604929 02/12/10 11:53 AM 02/12/10 11:53 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio T theclutcher top fuel
theclutcher top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio	probably a majority I'd bet. 35 yrs worth here and only one merc, rest mopar. only 3 made it in the show, feel bad for Cook, unfortunate bump. rest assured, rules slanted to help new coming manufacturer. cant remember details but something about new mopar eng was dissallowed a couple yrs back when yota had similar configuration already legit. anyone know more?

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: theclutcher] #604930 02/12/10 03:48 PM 02/12/10 03:48 PM
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scottb pro stock S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,557 New Smyrna Beach FL	The new motor is a completely new engine its a R6P8 motor has nothing in common with a P7 motor was brought out last yr at the end of the yr Arringtons said 50 hp better then a P7 motor

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: scottb] #604931 02/12/10 04:14 PM 02/12/10 04:14 PM
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DemonDust master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Quote: The new motor is a completely new engine its a R6P8 motor has nothing in common with a P7 motor was brought out last yr at the end of the yr Arringtons said 50 hp better then a P7 motor It's a bad a$$ looking engine too!! SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: DemonDust] #604932 02/12/10 06:37 PM 02/12/10 06:37 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Kasey Kahne had an R6P8 engine at the end of last year and this year he's carrying on about how much more power he has with Ford powerplant!

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? #604933 02/12/10 07:31 PM 02/12/10 07:31 PM
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mokid enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 St.Louis, Mo.	I believe its just Chrysler/Mopar they give 2 shits about the performance end of the company, I have called Mopar support many times a could not get 1 question answeared, did not have a clue on thier own products, and this has been a fact for at least 25 years, just look what happen to race teams like Patterson,and several others that put millions in the Pro Stock Trucks doing R D with the R3 W8 motors, mopar made deals with thiem to develope and build motors, they bought 100s of thousands of dollars in machinary on the promise that mopar would sell their parts and Mopar pulled out leaving alot of companies in dept. I know NHRA had something to do with it also but come on. I love Mopar but I really don't know why.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: mokid] #604934 02/12/10 07:55 PM 02/12/10 07:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	I have always been a Mopar fan and I used to root for Sterling Marlin when he ALMOST pulled it off. I always hope Mark Martin can do it and finally win a championship but then he said it himself "I wont put a guy into the wall to win a race" and if you aren't willing to put a bumper on a guy once in a while you will NEVER win a championship.I hardly ever watch a race anymore ever since the COT crap.I didn't like it when the ASA series went to a "spec" engine and computer Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: scottb] #604935 02/13/10 11:42 AM 02/13/10 11:42 AM
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LSP pro stock L Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,313 Charlotte, NC	Quote: Arringtons said 50 hp better then a P7 motor Not true.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #604936 02/13/10 11:44 AM 02/13/10 11:44 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,313 Charlotte, NC L LSP pro stock
LSP pro stock L Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,313 Charlotte, NC	Quote: I hardly ever watch a race anymore ever since the COT crap. The spoilers are coming off in a few races.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: LSP] #604937 02/13/10 04:06 PM 02/13/10 04:06 PM
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theclutcher top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio	any more pics and details of the R6P8?

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: mokid] #604938 02/13/10 04:11 PM 02/13/10 04:11 PM
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70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	Quote: I believe its just Chrysler/Mopar they give 2 shits about the performance end of the company, I have called Mopar support many times a could not get 1 question answeared, did not have a clue on thier own products, and this has been a fact for at least 25 years, just look what happen to race teams like Patterson,and several others that put millions in the Pro Stock Trucks doing R D with the R3 W8 motors, mopar made deals with thiem to develope and build motors, they bought 100s of thousands of dollars in machinary on the promise that mopar would sell their parts and Mopar pulled out leaving alot of companies in dept. I know NHRA had something to do with it also but come on. I love Mopar but I really don't know why. nhra pulled the plug on the class...mopar had nothing to do with that...many of the prostock truck owners sued nhra and nhra settled with them ..undisclosed... Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: LSP] #604939 02/14/10 11:30 AM 02/14/10 11:30 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 466 U.S.A. C Captain Flapjack mopar
Captain Flapjack mopar C Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 466 U.S.A.	Quote: There are short track guys that can run circles around clowns like Reed Sorenson, Casey Mears, etc, but they don't get the ride, cause they won't, or can't write the check, sad but true. dont forget the most obvious, paul menard

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: Captain Flapjack] #604940 02/14/10 11:58 PM 02/14/10 11:58 PM
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11secdart master 1 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,976 new jersey usa	I went to a Watch the 500 Party at a friends house it was made up of mainly Mopar racers/fans and One Chevy fan. The one thing we all had in common was we surely didn`t want a Toyota to win. My big question is: Dodges only hope Kurt Busch, was running strong and even led for awhile, he went from 19th to 3rd near the end: Why in the heck did he pit and take on 4 tires??? when he was running so strong, as a result he ended up 23rd. What the Heck? and what was with the announcers were they told not to mention him or Dodge? You would think they would be all over the fact that he was the only Dodge and doing well. Everbody knows how prejudice they are to their favorites but this was ridiculus. 68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: 11secdart] #604941 02/15/10 02:05 PM 02/15/10 02:05 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio T theclutcher top fuel
theclutcher top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio	Hey Kurt Why give up 3rd spot with a couple laps to go? Inquiring minds want to know.

Re: Only 6 Dodges in Nascar? [Re: theclutcher] #604942 02/15/10 02:39 PM 02/15/10 02:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Did anyone else catch that statement during the down-time that a typical motor costs 150k$ ? .. !! Yeah right !

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