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Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: DartSportDude] #603094
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I don't recall anyone being that hung-on on dates back in the day. All anyone cared about was how your car performed on the street or strip.




I can recall looking for used engines back then , we always wanted 1970 or older for performance, something about compression ratios


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Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: john55] #603095
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Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original
Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: john55] #603096
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For those of you who didn’t live it, exhaust emission regulations were not the only bullets that killed the “muscle car era”. The skyrocketing insurance rates based on engine size and the “oil shortages” of the early seventies contributed just as much, if not more, to the plunge in performance car sales that eventually led to their demise. How many of us here remember waiting in lines for hours to buy the 10 gallon limit of gas every other day (odd even days) to feed our beasts to go cruise or just get to work. Or cringing when the insurance agent wanted your vin number so he could figure out how much more that engine code is going to cost you this year.
Most of us working at the dealers then accept that the Mopar “Performance” car era really ended when the standard engine offered in something like the Road Runner had a single 2bbl carburetor on it, 73-74’ 318? As mentioned, really means nothing today unless you’re a collector.
Those 5mph bumpers did more to detract from the original four-gen Plymouth b-body design than anything else IMO.
Yes compression ratios started dropping around 71’ IIRC (383HP 8.5:1?). For both emission reduction and to be able to use cheaper less refined/lower octane fuel.


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Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #603097
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There's no question performance declined after 1970. However, the rise of the "collector car mentality" of the last decade or so has really skewed the outlook on so-called muscle cars. For many in this hobby, the fender tag pedigree of a car now overshadows its actual performance -- which, as we all know, can be radically altered by an engine/suspension build up. Let's face it: a '73 Roadrunner with a low compression 440 can be modified to run very close with a bone stock, high-compression 440 from earlier years. Which one is the "true" muscle car?

I've always looked at the styling of the cars from the 60/70s as defining the "muscle car" era. The overall appearance of most cars really changed into the late 70s and early 80s. Others may a different idea.

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: DartSportDude] #603098
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A '76 440 can run everybit as good as a '70 440 with some work

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: DusterKrazy] #603099
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Hmmmm, never paid much attention the mismatched wheel arch thing.

Anyway, here's my old 73 RR. Sorry, only have a black and white photo that I took when I was almost done fixing it up. Was a 318 car but replaced it with a 383 6 Pak. I like 'em.

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Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: DusterKrazy] #603100
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I've wondered what the front fenders would look like if you grafted the earlier style opening on there... ..Looks like they opened them up for nascar back in the day... ..Anyhow...I've seen alot of good quarters for the 73-74s{even 71-2s for that matter} on here the past few years but it seems nobody wants to part with the cash the seller is asking for them so to me it seems like it's a money issue more than availability...They want them but they want them cheap ....

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Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: DusterKrazy] #603101
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My 73. The original color (dark green) has been changed, but it still has the number's matching 340 & 4-speed.

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Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: Von] #603102
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Von, i wondered if Bean still owned that car. Does it get driven?




Heck no!! AFAIK, the car hasnt been fired since '93 or '94. I dont think he even fired it when he moved it to his house in Glenpool. Ive tried to get him interested in it again, but no luck so far. I know his oil pan is smashed up from hitting something and he is worried about that. Also, I guess he had a small fire of some sort due to an improperly installed electronic ignition harness. Last time I talked with him I offered to come down and help him get the ignition thing figured out. I guess he got that fixed, but I still dont think he fired it. Another thing is Im feel that he was/is disappointed in how it ran........13.40s..... I had a nice converter for sale a year or so ago and you know his car needs a converter BAD. I tried to get him to buy it, but it didnt happen. His combo just needs tweaking, IMO. Gear, 'Vert, heads need checked and a real valve job (Id bet my nuts his heads are totally jacked up, judging by who did the work on them) cam needs to be in really early, etc. He was talking about pulling it out and going through the whole motor again. You know it should go mid 12's at the worst. Most of his troubles can be attributed to his helper, if you get my drift....or old buddy.


I hear ya Thanks for the update. I remembered that he ran a mid 13. If memory serves, that was with some borrowed 4.56s. I cant remember the specifics of the build but seems like it had a 509 and an M-1 single plane on it? Stock coverter? Yikes. Lots of potential. I think the last time i saw him (been years ago), he told me the oil had only been changed once. Hope he keeps it inside,was a really nice car.

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: forphorty] #603103
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[quote. If memory serves, that was with some borrowed 4.56s. I cant remember the specifics of the build but seems like it had a 509 and an M-1 single plane on it? Stock coverter? Yikes. Lots of potential. I think the last time i saw him (been years ago), he told me the oil had only been changed once. Hope he keeps it inside,was a really nice car.





Ya, 4.56s, Hemi converter that I doubt flashed much over 2500. .509, stock 452s, compression would be lucky to get 9 to 1. M1, 850 DP. Not much, but dang more than enough for 12s.


72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72. Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: Von] #603104
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Kinda like the 74-74 (Reasonable Price Still) but have had a few comments "Nice Torino")....UGH.

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Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... [Re: Hawg_Man] #603105
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Werent the bumpers and brackets different between the 73 and 74.

Oh and the whole muscle car era ended in 71 is BS. My 73 340 Duster ran just fine back in the day and a friend had a 74 RR / GTX 440 and I dont recall any of us not considering it a muscle car. Now from 75 and on is debatable but even then some good stuff still slipped through.


77 Macho Power Wagon LWB factory 440 70 Coronet 440 N code 3 speed
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Here is my 73 Satty. I got it from a member here out of Arz.

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Anybody know the value or should I say WIW on a '74 roadrunner? 318 car w/a 3speed stick? no motor and has not been on the road in years. Everything else is there and will need typical quarter repair.

Just figure it as a restorable project?

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Did 74' roadrunners come with 318's? My best estimate would be 1500 to 2k. It doesn't have an engine and sounds like you got repairs that need to be done in the trunk probably as well. The only thing your really paying for is the name at that point. But I could be wrong, you do get some guys out there who are trying to sell bare bones dodge darts with slant 6's for premium because of barret jackson.


Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original
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Oh and the whole muscle car era ended in 71 is BS. My 73 340 Duster ran just fine back in the day and a friend had a 74 RR / GTX 440 and I dont recall any of us not considering it a muscle car. Now from 75 and on is debatable but even then some good stuff still slipped through.




Exactly. I don't recall ANYONE obsessing over this issue back in the day. Guys realized that the higher compression engines had more punch, but generally speaking, each car was judged on its own merits.

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I have a '73 RR and have always been just a bit more in to this body style than the '69 I bought new. Not ranking on the early body style, just personal preference. I do like the less cluttered lines of a SSP over the RR bulge hood, though.


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also what helped the pre 1971 mopars is we could and did buy many 68-70 road runners for under $1000 in the early 70's. it was a no brainer then.

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Did 74' roadrunners come with 318's?



The 318 with dual exhaust was the standard Road Runner engine starting in 73’. The 79-80’f-body Road Runner Standard engine was the 225 slant 6.


1972 Road Runner GTX 440 6bbl 5-speed
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Anybody know the value or should I say WIW on a '74 roadrunner? 318 car w/a 3speed stick? no motor and has not been on the road in years. Everything else is there and will need typical quarter repair.

Just figure it as a restorable project?




Hard to say without pics, but sounds like a $500-1k car to me.

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