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1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them....

Posted By: DusterKrazy

1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 01:08 AM

What are the differences between the '1973 and 1974 models?

Was the standard engine a 318?

I was thinking there was a 318,340(73),360 and a 400. Then you got a GTX package which nabbed you a
440 IIRC.

Any production #'s? and how rare is a 4 speed car?
Posted By: rrunner

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 01:17 AM

What are the differences between the '1973 and 1974 models? I know the saet belts, hood and windsheild washers due to the hood change in 74 with no cowl vents.
Almost forgot, the trunk pan and gas tank differ also

Was the standard engine a 318? YES

I was thinking there was a 318,340(73),360 and a 400. Then you got a GTX package which nabbed you a
440 IIRC. 318 73/4, 340 73, 360 74, 400 73/4 and GTX package 440 73/4

Any production #'s? and how rare is a 4 speed car? 73 340 is around 250, don't have any other figures, and no 4 spd with the 440
Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 01:24 AM

Our '73 Satellite is an original 400/4-speed. Someone told me it was one of 12. Frick if I know for sure though, I never cared enough to check.
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 01:31 AM

IMO I would go with the 73 because it is the earlier of the two produced. The further you got into the 70's the worse quality and power became on our cars. That was the reason I went with 71' roadrunner cause it was the last year before emissions and alot of good engines like the hemi and 383 disappeared. I've seen some nice 73' and 74' cars, I just could never get into the body style.

My point of view is based on if you plan on sticking with the originality of the car. If you plan on customizing it, then the 73 would be a better choice because of the hood design and they were still a fairly rigid design. To me, the 73-74 don't look a whole lot different. Same goes for the 71-72 roadrunners, the only difference really is the grill and lights.
Posted By: rrunner

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 01:49 AM

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IMO I would go with the 73 because it is the earlier of the two produced. The further you got into the 70's the worse quality and power became on our cars. That was the reason I went with 71' roadrunner cause it was the last year before emissions and alot of good engines like the hemi and 383 disappeared. I've seen some nice 73' and 74' cars, I just could never get into the body style.

My point of view is based on if you plan on sticking with the originality of the car. If you plan on customizing it, then the 73 would be a better choice because of the hood design and they were still a fairly rigid design. To me, the 73-74 don't look a whole lot different. Same goes for the 71-72 roadrunners, the only difference really is the grill and lights.


Only change in a 73 and 74 hood are the cowl vent cutouts. To me the 74 hood is cleaner looking without the cutouts. Power between same C.I. wouldn'd be noticed in a 73 to 74
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 02:57 AM

73 and 74 were basically the same car. Motors/transmissions were the same internally, except the change from 340 to 360. I know the 9 1/4 replaced the 8 3/4 for or during the 74 model year. The other minor things that nobody really cares about have already been mentioned. Gas tank change, hood cowl vents, 3-point seatbelts for 74, all minor stuff not worth mentioning.

I get a good laugh when guys on here put down the 73-74 body style, seeing how realitively small of a change it is from 71-72.
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 03:24 AM

A buddy from middle school had a '73 Roadrunner with a 400 in it. It was black with the white stripes, black interior. I just seemed to really get into that body style.

I never did see much difference in the '73/74 but I thought I would ask the people on here that are more familiar these cars.

I am wanting to check out a '74 thats fairly priced. I have heard so many times about these people saying that anything past a '71 is not worth fixing I like'em all! and if you like them, then it's worth your time to fix'em!
I will admit that I've wanted a '68 RR since I was 10, however a decent '68 RR still brings some loot

The parts for the newer cars are a bit cheaper. '68-70' prices still havent came back to earth yet

Anyways, back to '73/4 Roadrunners! Tell me more as I really like this body style
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 03:30 AM

How is the aftermarket for these cars? Very small?
I think they make more for 3rd gen Chargers now but not sure about the RoadRunners
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 03:38 AM

Just to clear the air, I wasn't talking down about the 73'-74's. I just remember looking for my 71' and had every guy trying to offload their 73 and 74 RR onto me.

The market for the 73-74's is doing quite well right now. Prior to now, the market for 71-74 b bodies was really slow. Now most aftermarket companies are producing reproduction body panels, interiors, etc. Basically, its good right now.
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 03:43 AM

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I get a good laugh when guys on here put down the 73-74 body style, seeing how realitively small of a change it is from 71-72.






I would say the front end design changes from '71-2 to '73-4 are more than a small changes.

Mismatched wheel arches are not an improvement, sorry.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 04:01 AM

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I get a good laugh when guys on here put down the 73-74 body style, seeing how realitively small of a change it is from 71-72.






I would say the front end design changes from '71-2 to '73-4 are more than a small changes.

Mismatched wheel arches are not an improvement, sorry.




I must be blind, cause I don't see anything mismatched.

In the grand scheme of things, the grill change is minor compared to the RR change from 70-71 or 74-75.
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 05:13 AM

wiring is also TOTALLY diff between 73 and 74.

gas tank straps hooks reversed than earlier models.

3 spokes wheel changed to a full padded horn button.

icons to lights and wiper knobs.

inner lower quarter panel diff.

longer rear bumper guards

and go on...
Posted By: strokin73cuda

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 05:16 AM

Show my wife a 71-2-3-4 and she would say they are the same car but show her a 68-9 or 70 and then one of the above and she would argue that they are are even different brands but what does she know. I personally love the body lines of the 71 and up with my fav being a 73-4 with a bulge hood it has its own aggressive stance, but then again I may be biased as I used to own one.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 05:36 AM

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I get a good laugh when guys on here put down the 73-74 body style, seeing how realitively small of a change it is from 71-72.






I would say the front end design changes from '71-2 to '73-4 are more than a small changes.

Mismatched wheel arches are not an improvement, sorry.




I must be blind, cause I don't see anything mismatched.

In the grand scheme of things, the grill change is minor compared to the RR change from 70-71 or 74-75.




What part are you not seeing? 73/74 quarters have the same arch around the wheel opening as a 71/72. In 71/72, the fenders matched the arches the quarters had. In 73/74, the fenders no longer had the arches to match the quarters, so yes, it looks mismatched. It looks like they forgot to redesign the quarters whenever I see a 73/74. I also walk right by them at car shows.
Posted By: BossRide

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:20 AM

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I also walk right by them at car shows.




That's funny, cause the boxy, taxicab '68 thru '70s give me the glazed-eye yawns... never could see the attraction other than a big engine in a flat-faced brick. I walk right by those, especially those with grandpa dog dishes. To each his own, I guess.

I prefer the grille and taillights of the '73-'74s over the '71 and '72s, obviously... I do wish they didn't have the mushy bushings throughout the chassis though...
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:28 AM

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Mismatched wheel arches are not an improvement, sorry.




I must be blind, cause I don't see anything mismatched.











Don't get me wrong, I love a '74 Satellite Sundance as much as the next guy or gal, but that's a major design hiccup to put it mildly.

Come to think of it, maybe the '73's rear wheel arches were designed that way so they could all wear factory fender skirts.
Posted By: BossRide

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:30 AM

But when you put the car on a rake, where it should be, they are right where they need to be... and if you were to keep it level and roll the chrome trim up to the top of the recessed lip area, like for NASCAR, it would match the front.
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:31 AM

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But when you put the car on a rake, where it should be, they are right where they need to be.










Posted By: BossRide

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:33 AM





LOL.. cause ALL successful car designs had matching front and rear openings..

Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:34 AM

That little body line around the rear wheel well, that's what you're picking at? That's quite sad you guys would even notice or care about something so trivial. The only design change on these cars that's really worth noting to me is the nose, but then they did have new crash standards to meet for 73.
Posted By: BossRide

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:35 AM

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But when you put the car on a rake, where it should be, they are right where they need to be.















You know my car looks better on a rake..
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:40 AM

He's got a point there. I never noticed the wheel wells. The main differences to me are the nose and tail lights (That is if you stripped the car to bare metal).

I fell in love with 71' because of Richard petty's nascar days and it was the first year of the "fuselage" rather than the box cars like my dads 67' Dart GTS. Knowing there was no way I was going to get my hands on a superbird, I decided on the next best thing IMO.

73-74 I don't like the bushings between the frame as mentioned. Makes swapping parts between b bodies a pain in the [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean].

I had a feeling there was going to be a war over this post lol

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You know my car looks better on a rake..



Yes it does
Posted By: BossRide

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:41 AM

Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:47 AM





California rust free, 4 speed and AC. Comfortable with extra POWA!
Posted By: toplescuda

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 08:07 AM

i also think these cars need a rake and a fat tire in back i just bought a set(front and rear) seat covers(white) and new foam padding for my 74 ssp
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Posted By: The_Mean_Machine

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 11:40 AM

no rake and 245s on all 4 corners...
but what do I know



Frank
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 11:54 AM

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I also walk right by them at car shows.




That's funny, cause the boxy, taxicab '68 thru '70s give me the glazed-eye yawns... never could see the attraction other than a big engine in a flat-faced brick. I walk right by those, especially those with grandpa dog dishes. To each his own, I guess.

I prefer the grille and taillights of the '73-'74s over the '71 and '72s, obviously... I do wish they didn't have the mushy bushings throughout the chassis though...




To each, his own

People like you keep the 73/4 stuff fairly affordable.
Posted By: moonman

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 12:57 PM

Daytonaturbo. I love the stance of your car, what suspension set up/wheels,tyres are you running ?
cheers Doug

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Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 05:43 PM

Any info on the available engines in '74 with a 3 speed trans? I think it was a small block car originally but owner is not sure if it was a 318 or 360...
Posted By: Ron_M

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 05:55 PM

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Any info on the available engines in '74 with a 3 speed trans? I think it was a small block car originally but owner is not sure if it was a 318 or 360...




http://beep2beep.tripod.com/Roadrunner_Production-Figures.html
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 06:11 PM

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Any info on the available engines in '74 with a 3 speed trans? I think it was a small block car originally but owner is not sure if it was a 318 or 360...




http://beep2beep.tripod.com/Roadrunner_Production-Figures.html



Thanks
Apparently it's factory 318-3speed Roadrunner. Only 772 were made..
Posted By: GYM

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 07:14 PM

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IMO That was the reason I went with 71' roadrunner cause it was the last year before emissions...





You need to double check your research...
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 07:49 PM

I did. Emission and safety standards began to take hold in 72'. Hence the 400 "smog" big block. Even my 71' has some vapor lines from the gas tank, some kind of canister below the battery tray, and noise reduction package indicating pre emissions before they were mandated by the federal government. This is on my car because it was built to california standards and sold in california.

That's why most enthusiasts of ford, mopar, and chevy recognize 71' as the end of the muscle car era.
Posted By: 4BBodies

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 08:21 PM

I agree on the wheelwells, but I still love my '73 Bird. Plymouth really could have kept the scallops on the fenders, if they tried harder. But Daytonaturbo is right, it really doesn't detract that much, especially with the funky thin wheel opening moldings. And 73's are a lot rarer than the older ones, at least in this part of the country. Never see them, on the road, or at shows. Probably due to rust issues. Most people like my '69 better, but I think the '73 was a better handling, better all around car. In a straight line.............no. My '69 will walk all over the '73, it's a big block car. But that's why I have 2 of them........the '73 has A/C and is still a hoot, and I will keep it. Plymouth and Dodge made a lot uglier cars in prior years!
Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 10:49 PM

I'll defend the 73+ styling here so if you look at a Challenger, which I love dearly, the character line along the side bumped up at the back wheel..not the front. Classic design.

Personally, I like the 73 window lines better than the 71-72. and the front bumper/grille too
Posted By: GYM

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/04/10 10:59 PM

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I did. Emission and safety standards began to take hold in 72'. Hence the 400 "smog" big block. Even my 71' has some vapor lines from the gas tank, some kind of canister below the battery tray, and noise reduction package indicating pre emissions before they were mandated by the federal government. This is on my car because it was built to california standards and sold in california.

That's why most enthusiasts of ford, mopar, and chevy recognize 71' as the end of the muscle car era.




Correct; emissions requirements did become more 'strict' in '72, but they did not 'start' in '72 as you originally intimated. The separate evaporative emissions tank in your left rear fender well was a piece new for '71.
(Ask any of us that were there when the '71's were new; the emissions equipment issue was already a reality...)
Need more examples? Take a look at the complex smog pump set-up on late sixties Camaros and Mustangs.
Posted By: 67plymouthman

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 12:45 AM

My buddy cut the roof off his 73 Satellite and put 340 cuda hockey stripes on it- THE CAR LOOKS GREAT. Its cheap and a lot of fun in the summer.
GO MOPARS!!
Posted By: Hotwheelsjr

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 01:43 AM

I'm kinda partial to the '73/4 also, but I wouldn't hesitate to jump on a '71/2 for the right price locally.

Posted By: deansrr

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 03:11 AM

worst part, 1/4 panels nobody makes them that I can find, and I have looked. found used left still looking for right side. building a 73 and first car i purchased was a 74. always loved the car, but never cared for front grill, which is why i'm making my own.
Posted By: BossRide

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 04:36 AM

I've been batting around the idea of a tube grille... I'm still on the fence. Here's a photoshop version:

Posted By: Von

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 04:58 AM

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I'm kinda partial to the '73/4 also, but I wouldn't hesitate to jump on a '71/2 for the right price locally.







That is a good lookin ride, with the perfect rake, IMO. Ive got 2 73 RRs, making one car out of 2. Waiting on my body man to get started on the body work. I think you just settled my color combo for me!!!! A buddy has a 73 that he has had for 20 years or so. It is black with white stripes, it does look pimp with draglites on it. But, I cant afford to get the body straight enough for black. Red, now that may work. Any idea what the exact paint color is?
Posted By: forphorty

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:13 AM

Von, i wondered if Bean still owned that car. Does it get driven?
Posted By: ledft79

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:14 AM

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Show my wife a 71-2-3-4 and she would say they are the same car but show her a 68-9 or 70 and then one of the above and she would argue that they are are even different brands but what does she know. I personally love the body lines of the 71 and up with my fav being a 73-4 with a bulge hood it has its own aggressive stance, but then again I may be biased as I used to own one.


I use to have a second gen road runner, I don't even remember what year it was [73 I think] I realy don't know the difference by looking at them.. I also had a 70 road runner and I can tell a 70 comeing from a mile away, comeing or going. Just my

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Posted By: 70blackfish

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:15 AM

there was a movie called (the boys next door) it had Charlie Sheen....the car they drove was a 1973 roadrunner. I know cause I bought that car and It was my first car.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:19 AM

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73-74 I don't like the bushings between the frame as mentioned. Makes swapping parts between b bodies a pain in the [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean].




No, nobody likes those bushings. However at least you can go either poly or aluminum bushings for the k-frame and the iso torsion bar x-member. And the iso t-bar x-member can be eliminated as well if you know how to weld and pick up a set of 72 and earlier torsion bars. In all honesty, the bushings in the k-frame are over exaggerated by the naysayers. Not that big of a deal. I don't like them but they don't kill the car either.

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That's why most enthusiasts of ford, mopar, and chevy recognize 71' as the end of the muscle car era.




But who really cares about that these days? Unless you're only interested in doing a stock resto it doesn't really matter. Guys like me doing restomods are going to make their cars what they want. Mine has absoloutely no emissions equipment, not even a charcoal can.

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Daytonaturbo. I love the stance of your car, what suspension set up/wheels,tyres are you running ?
cheers Doug




Thanks Doug. I'm running re-arched stock rear leafs and 275/60/15 tires, planning to go wider in the rear but same diameter.



Really there are only two things that bother me about the 73-74's. One being nobody even repros rear 1/4 patch panels for them. The other being 71-72 fenders aren't a bolt-on. If the older nose would bolt on and if the body line wouldn't have changed for 73, I honestly would seriously consider swapping to the 71-72 nose. Not because I dislike the 73-74 nose, more because after daily driving the car for 7 years spring-fall I'm getting a bit bored with the way it looks. Got a RR hood going on this summer and maybe a color change just to freshen things up.
Posted By: toplescuda

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:36 AM

what ever happend to the guy with a compleat rear clip and the amd guys did they take him up on the offer or trading the clip for challenger sheetmetal? jim??????
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 06:35 AM

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cause ALL successful car designs had matching front and rear openings..






If you'll notice, the '57's wheel opening edges are the same size, thickness, and have a similar "flow", even though they are not exactly the same front to rear.

Looking at the '73-4's again, it's not so much the shape of the openings (which look mostly symmetrical, save for the height difference) but rather the area around the openings in the quarter panels and fenders- smooth on the fenders, and with a flattened, radiused area on the rear quarter panels. Is it nit-picking? Maybe, maybe not, but it's there, and that may be the reason '74-'74s are even less popular than F-bodies.

Like I said, I still like them, but I'm not sure I will ever love them.
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 06:46 AM

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what ever happend to the guy with a compleat rear clip and the amd guys did they take him up on the offer or trading the clip for challenger sheetmetal? jim??????




I just got on my friend about that earlier tonight, he hasnt called AMD yet. I suggested he do it very soon if he wants to do a deal with them before they find the pieces elswhere.
Posted By: toplescuda

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 06:50 AM

give him a good wack across the noggin let him know were not messing around lol
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 06:51 AM

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You know my car looks better on a rake..







Sorry, not a fan of a raked stance. I love the 200-S wheels, though. See, I said something nice.

In all seriousness, I've always loved your car. It's one of the few '73-'74s I've kept pics of, and how many baby blue Mopars do you see? Not many, or I should say, not enough.

This is probably my second favorite '73-4, and I forget whose car this is, but I wish I had a better/larger pic of it :




A few other Moparts member's rides:



I love this color combo, too:




I love FM3, but even I have my limits :




I does have a nice rake, though.
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 07:00 AM

too big for pink
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 12:53 PM

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You know my car looks better on a rake..







Sorry, not a fan of a raked stance. I love the 200-S wheels, though. See, I said something nice.

In all seriousness, I've always loved your car. It's one of the few '73-'74s I've kept pics of, and how many baby blue Mopars do you see? Not many, or I should say, not enough.

This is probably my second favorite '73-4, and I forget whose car this is, but I wish I had a better/larger pic of it :




A few other Moparts member's rides:



I love this color combo, too:




I love FM3, but even I have my limits :




I does have a nice rake, though.




Uh..oh..the pink car gives me an idea
Posted By: moonman

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 01:08 PM

Thanks Doug. I'm running re-arched stock rear leafs
Do you mean re-tempered ?
Posted By: BossRide

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 01:14 PM

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Looking at the '73-4's again, it's not so much the shape of the openings (which look mostly symmetrical, save for the height difference) but rather the area around the openings in the quarter panels and fenders- smooth on the fenders, and with a flattened, radiused area on the rear quarter panels.





I actually like that about the rear quarters... I like how the body line flows from the front fenders down into the rear quarters... but I'm not here trying to sell '73-/74s to anyone.

The only thing I don't like is the lack of parts...
Posted By: Von

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 02:46 PM

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Von, i wondered if Bean still owned that car. Does it get driven?




Heck no!! AFAIK, the car hasnt been fired since '93 or '94. I dont think he even fired it when he moved it to his house in Glenpool. Ive tried to get him interested in it again, but no luck so far. I know his oil pan is smashed up from hitting something and he is worried about that. Also, I guess he had a small fire of some sort due to an improperly installed electronic ignition harness. Last time I talked with him I offered to come down and help him get the ignition thing figured out. I guess he got that fixed, but I still dont think he fired it. Another thing is Im feel that he was/is disappointed in how it ran........13.40s..... I had a nice converter for sale a year or so ago and you know his car needs a converter BAD. I tried to get him to buy it, but it didnt happen. His combo just needs tweaking, IMO. Gear, 'Vert, heads need checked and a real valve job (Id bet my nuts his heads are totally jacked up, judging by who did the work on them) cam needs to be in really early, etc. He was talking about pulling it out and going through the whole motor again. You know it should go mid 12's at the worst. Most of his troubles can be attributed to his helper, if you get my drift....our old buddy.
Posted By: DartSportDude

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 03:34 PM




Correct; emissions requirements did become more 'strict' in '72, but they did not 'start' in '72 as you originally intimated. The separate evaporative emissions tank in your left rear fender well was a piece new for '71.
(Ask any of us that were there when the '71's were new; the emissions equipment issue was already a reality...)
Need more examples? Take a look at the complex smog pump set-up on late sixties Camaros and Mustangs.




Exactly. Emissions controls where already coming in during the late '60s, and they just gained emphasis as the 70s wore on. This idea that the muscle car era "died" in '72 in silly. It's an arbitrary "line in the sand" that's been invented by the so-called experts and magazine editors. After all, the term "performance car" is relative. I don't recall anyone being that hung-on on dates back in the day. All anyone cared about was how your car performed on the street or strip.
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:17 PM

The wheel opening doesn't bother me at all
Posted By: rck850

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:25 PM

347 four speed 360's

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Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:28 PM

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347 four speed 360's


Posted By: BossRide

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 05:31 PM

Beautiful car... Honestly with my lead foot and prior history of beating on cars, I am thankful mine is an automatic. As much as I lust after a four or five-speed conversion with a GV overdrive for mad max cross country runs, I don't want to be proficient and R&Ring manual transmissions.


Posted By: john55

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 06:02 PM

I don't recall anyone being that hung-on on dates back in the day. All anyone cared about was how your car performed on the street or strip.




I can recall looking for used engines back then , we always wanted 1970 or older for performance, something about compression ratios
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 06:17 PM

Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 06:21 PM

For those of you who didn’t live it, exhaust emission regulations were not the only bullets that killed the “muscle car era”. The skyrocketing insurance rates based on engine size and the “oil shortages” of the early seventies contributed just as much, if not more, to the plunge in performance car sales that eventually led to their demise. How many of us here remember waiting in lines for hours to buy the 10 gallon limit of gas every other day (odd even days) to feed our beasts to go cruise or just get to work. Or cringing when the insurance agent wanted your vin number so he could figure out how much more that engine code is going to cost you this year.
Most of us working at the dealers then accept that the Mopar “Performance” car era really ended when the standard engine offered in something like the Road Runner had a single 2bbl carburetor on it, 73-74’ 318? As mentioned, really means nothing today unless you’re a collector.
Those 5mph bumpers did more to detract from the original four-gen Plymouth b-body design than anything else IMO.
Yes compression ratios started dropping around 71’ IIRC (383HP 8.5:1?). For both emission reduction and to be able to use cheaper less refined/lower octane fuel.
Posted By: DartSportDude

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 07:09 PM

There's no question performance declined after 1970. However, the rise of the "collector car mentality" of the last decade or so has really skewed the outlook on so-called muscle cars. For many in this hobby, the fender tag pedigree of a car now overshadows its actual performance -- which, as we all know, can be radically altered by an engine/suspension build up. Let's face it: a '73 Roadrunner with a low compression 440 can be modified to run very close with a bone stock, high-compression 440 from earlier years. Which one is the "true" muscle car?

I've always looked at the styling of the cars from the 60/70s as defining the "muscle car" era. The overall appearance of most cars really changed into the late 70s and early 80s. Others may a different idea.
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 10:13 PM

A '76 440 can run everybit as good as a '70 440 with some work
Posted By: jrwoodjoe

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 10:38 PM

Hmmmm, never paid much attention the mismatched wheel arch thing.

Anyway, here's my old 73 RR. Sorry, only have a black and white photo that I took when I was almost done fixing it up. Was a 318 car but replaced it with a 383 6 Pak. I like 'em.

Joe

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Posted By: screamindriver

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 10:44 PM

I've wondered what the front fenders would look like if you grafted the earlier style opening on there... ..Looks like they opened them up for nascar back in the day... ..Anyhow...I've seen alot of good quarters for the 73-74s{even 71-2s for that matter} on here the past few years but it seems nobody wants to part with the cash the seller is asking for them so to me it seems like it's a money issue more than availability...They want them but they want them cheap ....

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Posted By: tippytoe

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/05/10 11:07 PM

My 73. The original color (dark green) has been changed, but it still has the number's matching 340 & 4-speed.

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Posted By: forphorty

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/06/10 12:04 AM

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Von, i wondered if Bean still owned that car. Does it get driven?




Heck no!! AFAIK, the car hasnt been fired since '93 or '94. I dont think he even fired it when he moved it to his house in Glenpool. Ive tried to get him interested in it again, but no luck so far. I know his oil pan is smashed up from hitting something and he is worried about that. Also, I guess he had a small fire of some sort due to an improperly installed electronic ignition harness. Last time I talked with him I offered to come down and help him get the ignition thing figured out. I guess he got that fixed, but I still dont think he fired it. Another thing is Im feel that he was/is disappointed in how it ran........13.40s..... I had a nice converter for sale a year or so ago and you know his car needs a converter BAD. I tried to get him to buy it, but it didnt happen. His combo just needs tweaking, IMO. Gear, 'Vert, heads need checked and a real valve job (Id bet my nuts his heads are totally jacked up, judging by who did the work on them) cam needs to be in really early, etc. He was talking about pulling it out and going through the whole motor again. You know it should go mid 12's at the worst. Most of his troubles can be attributed to his helper, if you get my drift....or old buddy.


I hear ya Thanks for the update. I remembered that he ran a mid 13. If memory serves, that was with some borrowed 4.56s. I cant remember the specifics of the build but seems like it had a 509 and an M-1 single plane on it? Stock coverter? Yikes. Lots of potential. I think the last time i saw him (been years ago), he told me the oil had only been changed once. Hope he keeps it inside,was a really nice car.
Posted By: Von

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/06/10 07:20 AM

[quote. If memory serves, that was with some borrowed 4.56s. I cant remember the specifics of the build but seems like it had a 509 and an M-1 single plane on it? Stock coverter? Yikes. Lots of potential. I think the last time i saw him (been years ago), he told me the oil had only been changed once. Hope he keeps it inside,was a really nice car.





Ya, 4.56s, Hemi converter that I doubt flashed much over 2500. .509, stock 452s, compression would be lucky to get 9 to 1. M1, 850 DP. Not much, but dang more than enough for 12s.
Posted By: Hawg_Man

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/06/10 11:53 AM

Kinda like the 74-74 (Reasonable Price Still) but have had a few comments "Nice Torino")....UGH.

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Posted By: 69superbee383

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/06/10 05:09 PM

Werent the bumpers and brackets different between the 73 and 74.

Oh and the whole muscle car era ended in 71 is BS. My 73 340 Duster ran just fine back in the day and a friend had a 74 RR / GTX 440 and I dont recall any of us not considering it a muscle car. Now from 75 and on is debatable but even then some good stuff still slipped through.
Posted By: -Cuda

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/06/10 07:16 PM

Here is my 73 Satty. I got it from a member here out of Arz.
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/08/10 03:32 AM

Anybody know the value or should I say WIW on a '74 roadrunner? 318 car w/a 3speed stick? no motor and has not been on the road in years. Everything else is there and will need typical quarter repair.

Just figure it as a restorable project?
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/08/10 07:53 AM

Did 74' roadrunners come with 318's? My best estimate would be 1500 to 2k. It doesn't have an engine and sounds like you got repairs that need to be done in the trunk probably as well. The only thing your really paying for is the name at that point. But I could be wrong, you do get some guys out there who are trying to sell bare bones dodge darts with slant 6's for premium because of barret jackson.
Posted By: DartSportDude

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/08/10 03:19 PM

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Oh and the whole muscle car era ended in 71 is BS. My 73 340 Duster ran just fine back in the day and a friend had a 74 RR / GTX 440 and I dont recall any of us not considering it a muscle car. Now from 75 and on is debatable but even then some good stuff still slipped through.




Exactly. I don't recall ANYONE obsessing over this issue back in the day. Guys realized that the higher compression engines had more punch, but generally speaking, each car was judged on its own merits.
Posted By: OldHippie

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/08/10 03:51 PM

I have a '73 RR and have always been just a bit more in to this body style than the '69 I bought new. Not ranking on the early body style, just personal preference. I do like the less cluttered lines of a SSP over the RR bulge hood, though.
Posted By: dan9

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/08/10 03:58 PM

also what helped the pre 1971 mopars is we could and did buy many 68-70 road runners for under $1000 in the early 70's. it was a no brainer then.
Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/08/10 05:00 PM

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Did 74' roadrunners come with 318's?



The 318 with dual exhaust was the standard Road Runner engine starting in 73’. The 79-80’f-body Road Runner Standard engine was the 225 slant 6.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/08/10 07:12 PM

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Anybody know the value or should I say WIW on a '74 roadrunner? 318 car w/a 3speed stick? no motor and has not been on the road in years. Everything else is there and will need typical quarter repair.

Just figure it as a restorable project?




Hard to say without pics, but sounds like a $500-1k car to me.
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/09/10 07:09 PM

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Anybody know the value or should I say WIW on a '74 roadrunner? 318 car w/a 3speed stick? no motor and has not been on the road in years. Everything else is there and will need typical quarter repair.

Just figure it as a restorable project?




Hard to say without pics, but sounds like a $500-1k car to me.




I believe you are in the ball park with that. The manual trans is a plus though...

I found a '73 Roadrunner 340 auto car that needs a fair bit of resto. Comes with an extra hood and it does have the numbers matching 340. I think his $3000 asking price is a little much though.

I like the '73/4's, but paying $3k and then having to fix it (me doing all the labor), I'd
be better off to get a running car that needs little work. My '70 Charger is already a money pit
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/09/10 09:20 PM

I know '73/4 anything here does not get much love but c'mon...
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/10/10 08:14 PM

Posted By: mopargem

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/11/10 12:29 AM

Several years ago I helped restore this 74 360 runner for my younger brother, he still owns it and has become a big Mopar enthusiast.

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Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/11/10 03:48 AM

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Several years ago I helped restore this 74 360 runner for my younger brother, he still owns it and has become a big Mopar enthusiast.




Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 02/14/10 10:54 PM

Have not got it home yet, but just bought a '74 and Im pretty stoked about it
Posted By: xp170

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 06/24/10 01:23 PM

If you really want to know why the myth that 1971 was the last year for musclecars keeps being perpetuated, then listen up. It's because the whole "musclecar" legend has been hijacked by early baby-boomers who think the only decade worth remembering is the 1960s. Anything built after 1970-71 is thought of as inferior to years previous, mainly because it doesn't fit in with memories of their youth. You guys, however, seem like me (a member of the "Jones" generation, or late baby-boomers), who know that any mid-seventies musclecar is just a camshaft and headers away from performing as well as any '60s musclecar, but with better handling, brakes and safety to boot! Bring on the seventies I say!
Posted By: Paul_Fancsali

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 06/24/10 03:02 PM

My 73 Sat is a big pile as far as I'm concerned but she runs good and will take a good hit esp with those monster bumpers. I like the room the car inside and fact that you can reach things under the hood. There are parts from a dozen cars on this one, but I keep it because I like it. I knew guys that bought two different 1973 Road runners one a 340 auto car and a 318 4spd this guy wanted a track pak but could not get it,so he ordered hd cooling and 3.55s as 3.91 were unavailable. So like them or hate the 73 74s I could care less, I like to race the big blue!. Top it off this morning I saw a new Mustang that was same color Petty blue B-3
Posted By: 4BBodies

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 06/24/10 10:16 PM

This thread is still alive??? Ok then, more thoughts.........when I got my '73 I thought it would be cool because it was the last year of the 340, and that it had A/C and a 28" radiator. And also that it would look good next to a '71 Superbee someday..........priority's, you know...........anyway, the musclecar ship may have been sinking by '73, but the Roadrunner looked better than a Chevelle or a Mustang for that year.........
Posted By: kb73rr

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/06/10 07:27 PM

Here is my resto-mod 73 RR. Couldn't get fenders or QPs so it's all new fabricated sheet metal, with a little more flare in the back. Despite the modern Inferno Red color change I still get the occasional Starsky and Hutch Car comment or question. However, I get some "beep beeps" on the road so that's a good sign. I liked seeing all the other ones alive and well posted in this thread. Thanks guys!

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Posted By: AverageJoe

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/06/10 08:22 PM

I like 'em .... except this one :

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Posted By: screamindriver

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/06/10 08:24 PM

I bet people would move out of the way for you when they see that coming up behind them...
Posted By: screamindriver

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/06/10 08:48 PM

Here's a 73 factory sunroof car.... I'm in the final stages of tuning...Used a 4:10 8 3/4 e-body rear with super stock springs...The 10 inch rims and 28 inch tall tire fit nicely...Gives a great look from the back..

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Posted By: AverageJoe

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/06/10 11:17 PM

That is shweeeet. Mine is black w/white graphics as well, but has a black half-vinyl top.
Posted By: 4BBodies

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/07/10 12:32 PM

Yup, they do look great from the back. Like something else that comes to mind..........
Posted By: RebelDart

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/09/10 07:45 PM

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Yup, they do look great from the back. Like something else that comes to mind..........




You mean Torinos ?
Posted By: 4BBodies

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/09/10 09:35 PM

Ha............you've been watching too many "Fast & Furious" movies............I think you know what I meant...........
Posted By: YooperLon

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/10/10 01:07 AM

You would not beleive the hassle it was for me to post this pic. I read Wild Bills "how to" in the tech archive. The previous attempts I had picked the wrong box on PhotoBucket. I hope this works. Anyhoo, just wanted to post a pic of my ride. There are a lot of sweet rides on this thread.




Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 1973/74 Roadrunners..tell me about them.... - 07/15/10 04:03 PM

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Here's a 73 factory sunroof car.... I'm in the final stages of tuning...Used a 4:10 8 3/4 e-body rear with super stock springs...The 10 inch rims and 28 inch tall tire fit nicely...Gives a great look from the back..




I like that!
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