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904 or 727 #602497
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wich is faster? more dependant? cheaper? I noticed everyone recomends steel drum for 727 but seen nothing about 904. I will be running this behind 3000Lbs dakota with about 550hp, no trans break. what modifications do i need?

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: w2dak394] #602498
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I have no experience W/ a 904 but I think the 727 is a stronger trans yet it is heavier and takes more hp to run vs a the 904.

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: w2dak394] #602499
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904 is going to be faster!! 550 hp no problem

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: Mroctober] #602500
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I`ve ran a 904 behind my 550hp small block for years with no problems.


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Re: 904 or 727 [Re: w2dak394] #602501
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Depends what you're looking for & how much HP you're making. IMO a 727 is the only thing for a big-block, but awith a small-block, moderate HP, why carry the extra weight & draw the HP to drive it? You need to be a little more specific what you're looking to do.

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: 11secdart] #602502
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if you're like most of us racers we start out running 12 11 10 9 etc do it once and don't look back.727

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: w2dak394] #602503
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what modifications are needed to 904 to handle 550hp small block drag race only

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: Otherlane] #602504
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I have a 904 with a brake, its a fast and fairly reliable.It has a fair amount of race parts inside.The 727 is about .10-.15 slower behind a SB but more reliable than a mostly stock 904. If I had it to do again I would look serously at a glide though.

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Re: 904 or 727 [Re: DavidDean] #602505
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I always wanted to know what's faster in a low 9 second car the 904 or 727? give me your opinion

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: Otherlane] #602506
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I always wanted to know what's faster in a low 9 second car the 904 or 727? give me your opinion




ASK any racer in the fast SS classes - especially SS/AA ..... they run a 904 trans behind a Hemi.

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #602507
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ok let get back to the real world I'm not talking $5000 plus trans. they're using a 904 where every hundred thousands count.so how much faster is the 904 vs 727 in a ss/aa hemi car?

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: Otherlane] #602508
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In the mid-'70's, Chrysler did some extensive testing between the 727 and 904 transmissions. I believe they were in Stock and/or SS vehicles. If both transmissions are equally prepared and have torque converters that perform the same, the 904 was found to be .10 - .15 faster.

Engine and vehicle weight differences can affect the specific numbers. A heavier, lower HP vehicle would probably see a little more benefit as compared to a lighter, higher HP vehicle.

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: Locomotion] #602509
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I had a w2 360 with 727 and 8" turbo action converter. Switched to 904 with 8" turbo action converter. Picked up almost a 1/10th in the 1/8 and close to 15/100's in the 1/4. All we did was good clutches and band with the turbo action transbrake valve body. 600-700 passes between rebuild jobs. It never failed on us we just freshened it up every 18-24 months.

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: tvt59] #602510
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back somewhere around 1992..i switch from a 727 to 904, both using a turbo action 3800 series converter that flashes to around 4800 rpm...and the 904 was .15 faster and almost 2 mph...

never raced using a 727 again...


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Re: 904 or 727 [Re: DavidDean] #602511
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I have a 904 with a brake, its a fast and fairly reliable.It has a fair amount of race parts inside.The 727 is about .10-.15 slower behind a SB but more reliable than a mostly stock 904. If I had it to do again I would look serously at a glide though.




I know its GM but its strong and its only 1 shift and everyone makes stuff fot it. I run a 727 w/ trans brake and 4500 stall (all Hughes) but when its time to replace it the PG will be looked at, dont if I'll go that route but you have to look. Consistant ET's win races and only 1 shift = consist.

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: 512 VALIANT] #602512
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A 904 behind a 550HP 3000lb car will last a long time.

It doesn't need a billet drum like a 727 because the smaller diameter has much less inertia, meaning it won't blow up like a 727 will.

Depending on how much RPM you're gonna run, you might want to upgrade the high gear drum release spring, but I've run them up to 7200 on a 340 duster without issue.

Basially just needs a manual valve body, 5.0 lever, good bands, clutches and steels, and a 5 clutch high gear drum (with matching machined pump). That should last a long time.

The other nice thing is that low gear sets are plentiful, and an easy swap.

You just have to be careful swapping different year hard parts around in a 904 because there are some subtle differences that can cause problems...

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: dizuster] #602513
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What is the plan these days for bands in the 904 ?

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #602514
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There is some debate to use a rigid band or a flex band. The wide flex bands are easier to come by, most of the ridgid stuff is narrower. I don't know if anyone is making the wide ridgid band again or not...

Re: 904 or 727 [Re: dizuster] #602515
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This thread has me thinking of swapping out the stock 727 in our 1972 Dart and swapping in a 904 with some good clutches & steels, shift kit, and a new lever.
Looking to do as much racing with it as possible this year, but it's a street car.

As was already stated, what else is needed to make the 904 hold up forever?


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Re: 904 or 727 [Re: daniel_depetro] #602516
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Switching from a 727 to a 904 and picked up a .15 tenths in the 1/4 is good but spending at least $1800 for a 904 trans and converter to be isn't worth it.

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