Intake Swap...Knocking?? HELP!!
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05/18/08 01:13 AM
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I have a 1978 RT 360 Aspen.. i put a new intake and holley carb on it... a lot of sludge was removed on the top and some possibly fell down to the pan as well.. After everything was hooked up, the car ran strong for about two hours. Then i noticed the oil light coming on at IDLE!! at around 2000, there was a knocking from the valve covers... the oil was changed.. and at the correct level!!.. the rods looked like they were kinda dry too. do you think my problem is that the oil pump got clogged by sucking up some of the sludge i cleaned off?!?!
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Re: Intake Swap...Knocking?? HELP!!
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05/18/08 08:09 AM
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If enough of it was loosened up and dropped into the pan yes! I would pull the pan and have a look around.
And the knocking from the valve covers was the lifters rattling telling you "HELP WE AIN"T GETTING ANY OIL DUDE". The lifter will be the first things to let you know that the oil pressure has dropped because they are getting no oil to keep pumped up. Even at that there may (yes may) still be some circulation on the bottom end.
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Re: Intake Swap...Knocking?? HELP!!
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05/18/08 10:42 AM
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as soon as i get the oil pan off to find out if the pump is clogged or not.. regardless, i might find a 340 to place in there to save the numbers matching motor and rebuild it... but i'm crossing my fingers that unclogging the pump does the trick. oh and today i went to start it, and i had oil pressure at idle AND driving!! there was NO KNOCKING!! but when i opened the secondaries up right outside my house, the pressure dropped and it started knocking again.. it sounds like a clogged pump!!
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Re: Intake Swap...Knocking?? HELP!!
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05/18/08 01:07 PM
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This is similar to a 3.7L I pulled apart on friday. This was not from high mileage just pure neglect. 50,000 miles on it. We pulled out about 5 pounds of sludge out of each valve cover. Owner said " I may have a rod knock"
Back in the late eighties ford was having problems with severe sludge deposits in relatively low mileage cars, the problem turned out being bad thermostats causing the oil to neever heat up & cook the condensate out...We had deposits similar to what your showing on 30-40k vehicles with records of regular oil changes...On the other side I've torn down engines that ran 75k+ without an oil change that look cleaner then your pictured engine...
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Re: Intake Swap...Knocking?? HELP!!
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05/18/08 04:59 PM
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You probably stopped up the pick-up screen.
Exactly. You let it sit, the junk settled to the bottom of the pan. You drive it, idle, and it was fine. But you nail it, the R's go up, as does the oil pumps suction volume, along with increased windage, accel splash, and the oil pumps suction volume, bringing all that crap right back to the pickup therefor clogging it up (loss of pressure) and sending all the smaller peices through the pump and entire motor.
Oh yeah, two more quick things...
1. I think any 340 would be worth more than your numbers block. Find a JY 360 if you want to save your block...
2. Dude, don't open the secondaries if you know there is a problem with the oiling system.
Last edited by CHRONiklyDEMONic; 05/18/08 05:02 PM.
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Re: Intake Swap...Knocking?? HELP!!
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05/20/08 10:15 PM
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Ok, so heres what happened.... in order to take off the oil pan i had to disconnect the centerlink and the exhaust... i need headers lol!!! i had to take the starter off in order to take the torque converter cover thing off and a mount on the other side! the positive cable wouldnt come off the starter cuz the thread stripped..go figure!!.. i got a new starter! i took all the pan screws out.. the pan dropped, BUT WAIT!! the k- frame was in the way.. so i took the tranny mount off and rasied the tranny to try and raise the motor.. still wouldnt budge!! this is the first time i ever needed to get an engine lift to take a pan off!! i went to go disconnect the Pass. Side motor mount but the bolt got stuck and then whoomp.. it mushroomed!! ARGGG.. no biggy.. FINALLY i got the motor up and the pan off... it wasn't as dirty, but a little sludge was in the pick up which would be enough to block it!! I cleaned that out AND put a new oil pump in just in case. I put everything back together. started her right up and my oil pressure was back to normal!! phew!! no Knocking!! bearings were still good.. it's a good thing i started working on it when i did... so running 15 miles with a slight tick ONLY at 2000rpm and 3 miles with a knock driving slowly home, bearings still looked good...and motor wasnt TOAST.. close.. "slightly brown but scrapped off with a knife"!... i still need to find a good 340!! maybe Carlisle this year!!
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Re: Intake Swap...Knocking?? HELP!!
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05/20/08 11:14 PM
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well the obsession with a 340 is simple!! i have a 72 Duster as well!!, which would need a motor.. so if the Aspen doesn't get it.. the Duster does!!! and the edelbrock air cleaner.. it's junk i know!! it's all i could get to fit.. i need to find a spacer to clear my linkage for my other one!
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