Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
[Re: Thor500]
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Opinions vary....mine says no.
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
[Re: 23T Hemmee]
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May not big a big benefit but it is a benefit. Take a thick milkshake, use a big straw and a little straw, which one is easiest? Oil pump has to do the same thing.
But if your milkshake straw is big on the bottom and small on the top then no benefit is what I'm understanding?
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
[Re: Thor500]
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Guys have been running the stock p/up to 7000rpm`s for years w/out any issues but, it wouldn`t hurt.
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
[Re: Thor500]
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01/21/10 03:05 PM
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May not big a big benefit but it is a benefit. Take a thick milkshake, use a big straw and a little straw, which one is easiest? Oil pump has to do the same thing.
But if your milkshake straw is big on the bottom and small on the top then no benefit is what I'm understanding?
True, the only way its of any benefit is if you open the block up to 1/2" pipe and do the internal passage mods. The 1/2" to 3/8" pickup is just a waste of welding rod. And I know we've all used the 3/8th pickup for years, the 1/2" is just a little more insurance, that's all.
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
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I'm still of the opinuion that mods to the suction side of the system are just as important as mods to the pressure side. Given the relatively low expensive of the 1/2" pickup why not do it?
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
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Some pickup bosses are too thin to tap oversize, if the boss is sufficiently thick the reason to do this is because pumps are more efficient at pushing than they are at sucking; therefore, mods to increase the size of the suction side make sense.
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
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Is the 1/2" oil pick-up mod of any great benefit to a bracket motor that will likely never see Rpm's above 6000?
I like the 1/2 NPT internal pickup with the rest of the block oiling mods. However, if you are staying under 6000 rpm and 500 hp, I don't think you need it.
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
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mods to the suction side of the system are just as important as mods to the pressure side
More important: reducing suction-side pumping loss is Rule #1 in hydraulic engineering. General hydraulic guidelines for sizing plumbing: D = .64 × (GPM ÷ V)^.5 Values for "V" range from 4 f/s for the suction (LP intake) side, 10 f/s for returns, up to 25 f/s for pressure (HP discharge) side. This means that the pressure side can have an area as small as 1/6th of the suction side (25 ÷ 4) without compromise. Of course, these are pressures above numbers we will use, but the suction side is always larger than the pressure side. If the pressure passage is about .500" minimum (remind me?), the suction side should be at least twice as large, or .71" ID. Schedule 10 1/2-14 NPT pipe is .674" ID, 3/8-18 NPT is only .545" ID.
Reason 2: a restriction on the pressure side is at least partially self-correcting - flow increases with pressure. A restriction on the suction side reduces pressure - always, the only question is how much, and is this level dangerous.
Reason 3: any suction at all on the LP is asking for cavitation, which entrains air bubbles, makes oil compressible, reduces its specific heat, adds load to the pump drive, and chews metal off the pump gears (examine a bronze marine propeller some time).
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
[Re: dOoC]
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01/21/10 11:49 PM
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Yes, they are,Doc.
Poly said; A restriction on the suction side reduces pressure - always, the only question is how much, and is this level dangerous.
That is the reason making this mod is worth doing.
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Re: 1/2" VS 3/8" Oil Pick-up?
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23T ...all of that considered ... I would agree - the mod is worth doing. But WHY didn't Ma-Mopar have all HP motors with a 1/2" PU ?
because HP motors didn't make 500+ horsepower.
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