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2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 #585975 01/17/10 08:58 PM 01/17/10 08:58 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio moparrulzzz OP top fuel
moparrulzzz OP top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio	Here is Combo.... '71 440 Block .30 over All neccesary machine work/ fully balanced Block square decked Ross 99539 pistons/ 2.065 Comp. Height New Scat Rods Full Grooved mains/HV Oil pump Lunati 60304 cam/lifters 440 Source stealth heads/Crane Ductile adjustable rockers, bushed by RAS/ Bananna groove shafts Holley SD intake Holley 750 DP 1 7/8 headers/ 2 1/2 pipe / with H pipe MP Ignition 3.91 gears Question 1.. What kinda idle will this cam (Lunati)produce. I would like a nice lope at idle. 2.. Would I be better off with a solid cam?..or stay with a hyd?? Why?? I was told with the Crane ductile adjustable rockers I could use a solid. I want a nice street motor with as little maintainance as possible. No drag racing. Thnx Chuck

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: moparrulzzz] #585976 01/17/10 09:07 PM 01/17/10 09:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	I have the 60304 in a 440. Its not a real lopey cam--the duration is about 268/274. Its designed to provide good lift (.493/.513) while still having a good idle. Gone are the days when you HAD to have a lopey idle to get great midrange/upper end power. The old MP 280 .474/.474 cam I had before was noticeably lopier (is that a word?) than the Lunati BTW--the 60304 is a great 2000-6000 rpm cam!

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #585977 01/18/10 12:04 AM 01/18/10 12:04 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: I have the 60304 in a 440. Its not a real lopey cam--the duration is about 268/274. Its designed to provide good lift (.493/.513) while still having a good idle. You are describing the 60303 which has 493/513 lift, the 60304 is 513/533 lift. I run the 60303 and the idle is tame in it when piped through my full 2.5" dual exhaust system. Open the header cutouts and it sounds nice and aggressive. In all honesty the 60304 is a mild enough cam that adjustable valvetrain is a waste. If you're already got the cam and adjustable rockers, run it. If you haven't bought the cam yet, I would go with a solid instead.

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: moparrulzzz] #585978 01/18/10 07:12 AM 01/18/10 07:12 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	The 60404 should have some lope 234/242 duration @ .050 (and that is the number that counts) Pacs 226/234 is too mild for much lope thats why his MP .474 which is 238/238 @ .050 gave him more lope. that Hydraulic is fine what Torque converter you going to use?? a 3000 and a 60405 242/252 installed at 104 (even 102) would kick but and have a nice lope both 04 and 05 will require re curving the dizzy! IMHO

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #585979 01/18/10 09:30 AM 01/18/10 09:30 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio moparrulzzz OP top fuel
moparrulzzz OP top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio	Quote: Quote: I have the 60304 in a 440. Its not a real lopey cam--the duration is about 268/274. Its designed to provide good lift (.493/.513) while still having a good idle. You are describing the 60303 which has 493/513 lift, the 60304 is 513/533 lift. I run the 60303 and the idle is tame in it when piped through my full 2.5" dual exhaust system. Open the header cutouts and it sounds nice and aggressive. In all honesty the 60304 is a mild enough cam that adjustable valvetrain is a waste. If you're already got the cam and adjustable rockers, run it. If you haven't bought the cam yet, I would go with a solid instead. Never messed with a solid cam. Will it help the performance of the engine. More maintainance?? What are the advantages and disadvantages of the solid over the hyd.?? I do not have the cam/lifters yet. Rockers are in the hands of RAS as I type this!

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: Dodgem] #585980 01/18/10 09:31 AM 01/18/10 09:31 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio moparrulzzz OP top fuel
moparrulzzz OP top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio	Quote: The 60404 should have some lope 234/242 duration @ .050 (and that is the number that counts) Pacs 226/234 is too mild for much lope thats why his MP .474 which is 238/238 @ .050 gave him more lope. that Hydraulic is fine what Torque converter you going to use?? a 3000 and a 60405 242/252 installed at 104 (even 102) would kick but and have a nice lope both 04 and 05 will require re curving the dizzy! IMHO I was going to call PTC when I get the cam sorted out and see what they recommended.

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: moparrulzzz] #585981 01/18/10 10:56 AM 01/18/10 10:56 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Well a sold cam revs higher and will usually make a tad more power. put locking nuts on the adjusters and if locked tight once set its a once twice a year check after they have been set right. Shaft Mopars do not move around at all. I think I would look at what you were thinking the 60404 (maybe the 60405) If you go with a solid cam you may want to invest in a lifter like this http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/produ...mp;partid=24238 This would make a nice solid cam http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/produ...mp;partid=21815 three bolt but available in 1 bolt if you already have a 1 bolt timing set or a tad milder three bolt http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/produ...mp;partid=21813 Last edited by Dodgem; 01/18/10 10:58 AM.

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: Dodgem] #585982 01/18/10 11:32 AM 01/18/10 11:32 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Like said, solid cam will rev higher and not see a drop off at higher rpms like a hydraulic will. Since you already have the adjustable valvetrain I would go with the mp .557 cam. It will definitely give you the lope you want. I think there's a few youtube videos where you can hear how that cam idles. A solid like that is not going to be overly high maintenance, just check the valve lash once or twice a year.

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #585983 01/18/10 07:33 PM 01/18/10 07:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 E Central IN N nd65 pro stock
nd65 pro stock N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 E Central IN	Moparrulzzz, your combo is nearly identical to the one I am building now. Same heads, cam and valve gear with the pistons set at 0 deck height for quench. Something to look out for. I set my valve lash this past weekend and noticed all 8 of my pushrods slightly rubbed the upper part of the intake runners when the lifter was on the base circle (3/8" pushrod). After marking the heads I pulled them off and hit them with a Dremel. Also, 440source recommends the locks get upgraded to 10 degree locks when you get above .510 lift, which I did. The machinists was very impressed with the Stealth heads. Good luck Last edited by nd65; 01/18/10 08:22 PM.

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: nd65] #585984 01/18/10 10:39 PM 01/18/10 10:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio moparrulzzz OP top fuel
moparrulzzz OP top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio	Quote: Moparrulzzz, your combo is nearly identical to the one I am building now. Same heads, cam and valve gear with the pistons set at 0 deck height for quench. Something to look out for. I set my valve lash this past weekend and noticed all 8 of my pushrods slightly rubbed the upper part of the intake runners when the lifter was on the base circle (3/8" pushrod). After marking the heads I pulled them off and hit them with a Dremel. Also, 440source recommends the locks get upgraded to 10 degree locks when you get above .510 lift, which I did. The machinists was very impressed with the Stealth heads. Good luck Thnx for the heads up. Are you running the Holley Street Dominator as well??

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: moparrulzzz] #585985 01/18/10 10:50 PM 01/18/10 10:50 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio moparrulzzz OP top fuel
moparrulzzz OP top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,679 Mansfield,Ohio	Thnx for all the info guys.I think for now I will stick with the Lunati 60304. I don't know why the solid makes me nervous, I think it may be the lack of experience with a solid!!

Re: 2 cam questions...Lunati 60304 [Re: moparrulzzz] #585986 01/19/10 08:44 AM 01/19/10 08:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 E Central IN N nd65 pro stock
nd65 pro stock N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 E Central IN	I am running an Edelbrock Performer RPM with a Holley 3310 750.

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