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Bob weight and RPM #585023
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Is there a way of knowing the effective results of a lighter bob weight, Example// A engine with a 1800g bob weight turns 7500 vs the same engine with a 1600g bob weight turns 8500/ before failure

Re: Bob weight and RPM [Re: emarine01] #585024
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Is there a way of knowing the effective results of a lighter bob weight, Example// A engine with a 1800g bob weight turns 7500 vs the same engine with a 1600g bob weight turns 8500/ before failure




Lighter weights free up RPMs.Before failure is is relative as to what fails.High RPMs will find the weak componants.Quality of parts and quality of machine work and assembly are more a determining factor at the bobweights mentioned.Check with the manufacture for any test data that supports their claims.For instance Oliver Rods has someone do distructive and non-distructive test on their various design of rods and well as metallergical studys on failed componants.

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I was leaning toward crank failure, It seems they measure crank rpm by piston speed in the calcs, but no mention of bob weights, I was curious of how they do this

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Given the engine with the lighter bob weight has proper balancing for the weight change, is there a way of measuring the lighter rotating assembly and express it in max rpm change?

Re: Bob weight and RPM [Re: emarine01] #585028
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All of the scientific stuffs sounds interesting but what about the HUGE bob weights of the hemis screaming past 8000 rpm`s back in the day.


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Given the engine with the lighter bob weight has proper balancing for the weight change, is there a way of measuring the lighter rotating assembly and express it in max rpm change?




I dont know about the rpm change BUT if you were to
move the weight inward on the crank to balance it
(cut the counter weights down) you do 2 things, you
move the weight in tighter to the c/l and you take
that big sail out of the oil pan reducing the windage
which in turn allows it to accelerate faster... JMO


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All of the scientific stuffs sounds interesting but what about the HUGE bob weights of the hemis screaming past 8000 rpm`s back in the day.




That's an easy one.......they flew apart.

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Thankx Mike, that makes perfect sense but this doesn't, small block chevy 434, 650 hp with a cast steel crank and a bad rod ratio, alu rods with light pistons, crank cut down to 40 lbs, this motor sees 8k for the last 4 years, I have drove this rail and seen the trap rpm so I know he is not full of it, and the crazy part is it was a used crank when he started, This goes against everything I have read about crank shafts, He has also built several engines for other racers the same way and they have not failed , Is this just dumb luck or is there more to bob weight than meets the eye? I read the cast stroker post the other day and have seen all the failures and opinions from the guys on here and tend to agree with the reasoning that cast cranks don't belong in race engines, But it seems to work in chevies?

Re: Bob weight and RPM [Re: emarine01] #585032
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Given the engine with the lighter bob weight has proper balancing for the weight change, is there a way of measuring the lighter rotating assembly and express it in max rpm change?





The answer is yes. If you know the weak link capacity of either the rod or bolts.

With any given balanced assembly/bobweight you could calculate a max rpm based on the calculated forces. Example, if your rod bolts are good for 74,000# You could calculate a RPM that could be reached before you surpass that 74,000# limit.


Some engine programs will calculate that automatically for you. Boggs had one that would give the numbers.

Sorry, I dont have the Formula to figure it out at hand.

I bet Jeff, Polyspheric would have it. mike

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Wow, I just spent a couple of hours reading related material to try and answer my question, It still remains basically unanswered, but now I know why, deep subject Thankx to all who replied, you all had a valid piece of it I gota go cause my head hurts

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Re: Bob weight and RPM [Re: emarine01] #585035
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572" Hemi has a 2389 Bob weight..it will see 7000-7200 rpms..

My 557" wedge has a Bob weight of right under 2300 grams..I turned it 8K once or twice...LOL


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have you looked at Wallace racing site? They have a Piston Inertia calculator, and a piston speed calc also..
http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm


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Remember freewheeling (no load) inertia of the crank is one thing, acceleration under load is the sum total of ALL the rotating masses (trans/shafts, R&P, axles) and bearing and of course the frictional losses (to the road and the rings/bearings).


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