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Re: E body brake pedal question?
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Yes the bellcrank reduces the pressure you can apply with your foot. It also places the master cylinder higher up on the bulkhead than the manual brake version.
Last edited by Roppa440; 01/16/10 05:18 PM.
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Re: E body brake pedal question?
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01/16/10 11:08 PM
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If I remember right, some of the bell cranks had a little spring, and some did not. Anyone know what that's about?
Tav
I've have move of these than I can count on both hands and feet and I've never seen a little spring.
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Re: E body brake pedal question?
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01/17/10 01:22 AM
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The spring was used to hold the belcrank rod during assembly to aid in aligning everything
Doesn't ring a bell. Got a pic? I must have had about 15 of them pulled out at one time. Been selling them off for years. Probably have another 8 or so right now. No springs. Not very hard to assemble.
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Re: E body brake pedal question?
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01/17/10 01:28 AM
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Thanks for all the replies.  I was a little confused because when I converted to manual brakes with the correct pushrod the brake pedal was sitting real high. I then noticed that there is a bracket with adjustment that holds the rear tail light switch which can be adjusted to lower the brake pedal. I dont think that should affect the m/c since I have not added fluid & bled the brakes yet.
Mean while, back at the ranch. Are you sure that you have the right rod for your model of car? After bleeding the system, let the pedal return back and stop. Then adjust the switch into the pedal. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: E body brake pedal question?
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01/17/10 02:07 PM
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The spring was used to hold the belcrank rod during assembly to aid in aligning everything
Doesn't ring a bell. Got a pic? I must have had about 15 of them pulled out at one time. Been selling them off for years. Probably have another 8 or so right now. No springs. Not very hard to assemble.
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Re: E body brake pedal question?
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Re: E body brake pedal question?
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This is my concern. Without bleeding the m/c the brake pedal sits too high. Its a pushrod from a 70 cuda manual brake car. The donor car was a 4 speed and I have an automatic. Think that may be the difference?
Auto/4spd don't matter,....is it possible you didn't "seat" the rod into the manual master, as a small hard rubber ring is placed on the tip of the rod, and it pops into the master cylinder's bore with pressure, locking it in place, to prevent it from falling out, this may be the reason you have a higher pedal
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Re: E body brake pedal question?
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I thought about that but it looks like its in all the way which seems to be only about an inch. I also depressed the pedal all the way and if I did not seat it on the bench I'm sure it seated when the pedal was depressed all the way.
If you feel the brake pedal is still too high, use the adjustable manual pedal rod from Mopar Performance to cure your ills 
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Re: E body brake pedal question?
[Re: cataclysm80]
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01/20/10 09:50 AM
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Thanks for posting those pics Dayclona. Here's a pic of the real thing. The hook on the top end of the spring is bent spread a little so that it can't fall off once installed. The bell cranks that came with the spring have a groove that the spring is meant to sit in. I never was sure why some had a spring and some didn't. It seems like there's more that don't have it. I'd agree that it isn't very hard to assemble without the spring.
Tav
Interesting about the spring. I wonder if they removed it after assy?? I went out in the yard and checked six 71-4B's and no springs. All are St Louis cas if that matters.
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