EK2 Go Mango. Dupont or PPG BC/CC closest to original?
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I know there are many factors that can impact the shade, color etc. that a final paint job may have. Generally speaking, which BC/CC is closest to the original color?
Thanks, Joe
65 Barracuda 70 Challenger
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Re: EK2 Go Mango. Dupont or PPG BC/CC closest to original?
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I read about so much trouble trying to find BC/CC systems that match the original colors. Could someone try and sell me on why I would want to go through this trouble when I could use something like Deltron or Centari? My '69 Dart spent half its life in Arizona, and now it's in Seattle, so the paint spent 20 years baking in the sun, and another 20 in the NW rain, and I think it has held up well. It is a bit faded, but looks good when waxed, and it is starting to wear thin on a few high edges like the top edge of the fenders, but come on. Is anyone going to treat their restored classic the same way, or is it going to be pampered and garaged from now on? What's so great about BC/CC?
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Re: EK2 Go Mango. Dupont or PPG BC/CC closest to original?
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I read about so much trouble trying to find BC/CC systems that match the original colors
The problem generally stems from an inexperienced paint mixer, unfamiliarity with the computer mix code/cross reference,....no access to colorfast keys, or doesn't know they exsist,....or just plain lazy, and you get what the computer spits out,....I have so many customers tell me a certain color isn't available in BC/CC cause their "paint guy" says so ,.....if your having problems as such, time for a new "paint guy"
You want EK2 start with the original PPG paint code 2201 Go Mango,.....have your "paint guy" cross reference the number in the paint manufacturers paint system you have chosen,....see how many alternates are avaliable, there should be 2, are you painting a Plymouth or Dodge model?
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Painter is not a problem...I haven't even talked color with him yet which is the reason for my post. Just trying to "narrow down" the paint options before discussing with him. He prefers Dupont but will paint whatever I specify. Originally, I had the colors for the car narrowed down to EK2 and FC7. From what I had seen in person, FC7 in the PPG line seemed closer to original. However, I have since decided to go with EK2 and was curious if there were similar differences. I may just have him do a sprayout in Dupont and see if I like it or not.
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Re: EK2 Go Mango. Dupont or PPG BC/CC closest to original?
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. . . What's so great about BC/CC?
Clear coat is meant to provide protection for the color coat from UV rays, scratches and stone chips. It allows you to lay down the base, use an inter-coat and apply graphics, stripes, etc. and then bury everything in the clear coat. I believe it to be easier to match colors when repairs have to be made as well.
You don't need to use a BC/CC system to use clear, though. If painting a metallic, clear was a must if you were going to colorsand and buff. Are the advances in paint technology which makes BC/CC better only applied to that type of technology, or are the better chemicals also used in the single stage systems? Personally, I haven't seen a car that looks better because it was painted BC/CC over acrylic enamel. Getting the car straight is far more important to me. Now metallics are different, and I can totally see why someone would want to base coat something like that. I worked for a Mopar resto shop, and the painter started using a DuPont product called Basemaker with metallics that would cause the Centari to dry like a base coat, and make the metallic very consistent. If what was said before about color matching being the fault of incompetent paint mixers, then I guess the point is moot as far as metallics are concerned.
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Painter is not a problem...I haven't even talked color with him yet which is the reason for my post. Just trying to "narrow down" the paint options before discussing with him. He prefers Dupont but will paint whatever I specify. Originally, I had the colors for the car narrowed down to EK2 and FC7. From what I had seen in person, FC7 in the PPG line seemed closer to original. However, I have since decided to go with EK2 and was curious if there were similar differences. I may just have him do a sprayout in Dupont and see if I like it or not.
______________________________________________ Either manufacturer can match this color. As said before, the individual at the particular store needs to knowledgable about crossing the system. Its the painter and its application that is more important. If a particular painter is familiar with the product line he uses, then he will feel more comfortable and more apt to make it work better for him. If he uses Dupont than more than likely he will familiar with the little things that make it work better. A painter becomes familiar with a particlar system. A PPG man who consistantly uses PPG will be more comfortable and get better performance with what he is familiar with.
As for color match, PPG was the original manufacturer and PPG still dominates OEM coating on American and European new car market. There is no denying their quality. One would think you get a better "on the money" match with PPG.
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Re: EK2 Go Mango. Dupont or PPG BC/CC closest to original?
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One would think you get a better "on the money" match with PPG.
Only if using the original type paint. That they were the original manufacturers in itself should not influence your opinion that they would make a better product today. What do you think about replacement parts from Chrysler? I think C7 would be a difficult color to compare because metallics are influenced by air pressure, distance sprayed, and the light they are observed in. A paint batch may have been off a bit, too. I haven't had the opportunity to observe two original paint C7 cars. I'd be curious as to how the two compare, but even then, they would both be 40 years old, and have been exposed to different environments, which I'm sure would have changed the shade a bit. They were also shot by different people, from different paint batches, from different guns, you see all the variables. I don't see how someone can see one car, and think that that is exactly how the color should look. I'm sure you're familiar with all the variation in these cars. Some experts say something is this way, everyone believes it, restores their cars that way, then untouched cars show up a different way. Even if we look at hidden parts of the car for paint, they would have been known to the painters that nobody would see it, and they wouldn't have been careful as to how they sprayed it, and that would affect the color in that area. Anyone think these are valid points? ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
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One would think you get a better "on the money" match with PPG.
Only if using the original type paint. That they were the original manufacturers in itself should not influence your opinion that they would make a better product today. What do you think about replacement parts from Chrysler? I think C7 would be a difficult color to compare because metallics are influenced by air pressure, distance sprayed, and the light they are observed in. A paint batch may have been off a bit, too. I haven't had the opportunity to observe two original paint C7 cars. I'd be curious as to how the two compare, but even then, they would both be 40 years old, and have been exposed to different environments, which I'm sure would have changed the shade a bit. They were also shot by different people, from different paint batches, from different guns, you see all the variables. I don't see how someone can see one car, and think that that is exactly how the color should look. I'm sure you're familiar with all the variation in these cars. Some experts say something is this way, everyone believes it, restores their cars that way, then untouched cars show up a different way. Even if we look at hidden parts of the car for paint, they would have been known to the painters that nobody would see it, and they wouldn't have been careful as to how they sprayed it, and that would affect the color in that area. Anyone think these are valid points?
Very well put Pete,...my sentiments exactly,....regardless of whom/what is chosen for paint, ultimately unless your the guy mixing the paint, and spraying the car, you cannot control the variences that will occur,.....you may find the exact paint match, but Jr. mixes the paint, and is short on some ingredients, he may not tell you?,...it happens trust me!....every painter has his/her technique, temp, overlap, pressure, mix, application, primer base/color/sealer, etc,etc,etc, all will alter the color to some degree. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
I almost exclusively use the Dupont Chroma Premier BC/CC system,...not because of famaliarity, but the versitality of color match, and the quality of the paint,....I've been painting, striping/airbrushing cars/trucks/vans/bikes for close to 30 yrs nows,.....paint is paint, as long as it's a quality product, there is junk on the market, but everything has it's application, to some degree,....but IMHO, if given the choice, I'd paint with Dupont Chroma Premier over PPG,....from a quality standpoint of mat'ls
Mike
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