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Help me choose a carb please. #567259 12/30/09 09:35 PM 12/30/09 09:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR DART67GT OP super stock
DART67GT OP super stock Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR	This is for a mostly street driven car. I'm putting together a MP 360 short block (p4876908) assembly. It has out of the box edelbrock heads and air gap intake, and comp cams xe274h with roller rockers. CR should be around 10.5. This is for my '67 Dart with A/T and 3.23 gears. I have not yet purchased a torque converter, but want the thing streetable. I was thinking around 2200 stall. Any suggestions? I was leaning toward the Edelbrock Thunder AVS 800cfm. 1967 Dodge Dart GT 3.23 sure grip 8.75/727/360 .020 over w/edelbrock heads 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab CTD

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567260 12/30/09 09:43 PM 12/30/09 09:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	I'd run 3.55's and a holley 750DP. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: Mr.Yuck] #567261 12/30/09 09:48 PM 12/30/09 09:48 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR DART67GT OP super stock
DART67GT OP super stock Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR	I really don't want to change the gears right now. I have two complete center sections and they're both 3.23. Some day I might set one up different for track time, but I have a lot of other problems to throw money at right now. 1967 Dodge Dart GT 3.23 sure grip 8.75/727/360 .020 over w/edelbrock heads 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab CTD

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567262 12/30/09 11:21 PM 12/30/09 11:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	what kind of compression will you end up with? 323's should be fine, I'd up the converter to something like a 2600-2800 stall. for a "cheap" converter that's pretty good, I'd look at the MP 175K. I'd lean towards the 800 eddie, or a themoquad built by demonsizzler 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: patrick] #567263 12/30/09 11:54 PM 12/30/09 11:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR DART67GT OP super stock
DART67GT OP super stock Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR	I started this build about 5 years ago. IIRC the compression was just under 10.5. I was following something close to what was done in I believe a Hot Rod magazine article. They ended up with just over 400hp and 400ft/lb torque. Five years and 2 houses later I can't find the article. Comp cams site calls for a 2200+ stall converter for that cam and says the rpm range is from 1800 to 6000. That's why I was going to go with a 2200 stall. 1967 Dodge Dart GT 3.23 sure grip 8.75/727/360 .020 over w/edelbrock heads 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab CTD

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567264 12/31/09 12:25 AM 12/31/09 12:25 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR DART67GT OP super stock
DART67GT OP super stock Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR	Also forgot to mention I have a '66 19 spline 727 built already. That limits me on converter choices. I have been considering keeping the 904 that is in the car. 1967 Dodge Dart GT 3.23 sure grip 8.75/727/360 .020 over w/edelbrock heads 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab CTD

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567265 12/31/09 01:00 AM 12/31/09 01:00 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Holley 750 carb. With those gears I would suggest a vacuum carb over a dp but either can be made to work with some tuning(be prepared to buy a tuning kit). Quote: Comp cams site calls for a 2200+ stall converter for that cam and says the rpm range is from 1800 to 6000. That's why I was going to go with a 2200 stall. Yeah but you're a bit under geared for that cam, which is why a higher stall would be better. I agree something around the 2600-2800 mark would be best.

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567266 12/31/09 09:30 AM 12/31/09 09:30 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	You can order TQ's in any spline configuration!! Or change your imput shaft? 904's are fine???

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: Dodgem] #567267 12/31/09 12:27 PM 12/31/09 12:27 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	I guess I'm going to disagree with the carb of choice so far. The OP says this is a 360 that is a street only car. There's no reason to overcarb a street car. It will run way better with better throttle response and better mpg with a slightly smaller carb. Math says a 366 cube motor at 6500 RPM and 95% V.E. can use 654 CFM. Most motors will never see close to 95% V.E. And a double pumper on a street car with 3.23 or 3.55 gears is just plain bad advice. My choice would be a Holley 670 Street Avenger series. LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567268 12/31/09 12:29 PM 12/31/09 12:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,051 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,051 Oregon	The Edelbrock carb should work just fine for your application. They are easy to tune and work pretty well on those types of motors. A one inch insulator under the carb helps a bunch with any hot soak problem.

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: StealthWedge67] #567269 12/31/09 03:03 PM 12/31/09 03:03 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Quote: I guess I'm going to disagree with the carb of choice so far. The OP says this is a 360 that is a street only car. There's no reason to overcarb a street car. It will run way better with better throttle response and better mpg with a slightly smaller carb. Math says a 366 cube motor at 6500 RPM and 95% V.E. can use 654 CFM. Most motors will never see close to 95% V.E. And a double pumper on a street car with 3.23 or 3.55 gears is just plain bad advice. My choice would be a Holley 670 Street Avenger series. Wrong 3310 vacuum secondary and edelbrock carbs till the air door or secondaries receive enough vacuum created at the top of the venturies to open are 2 barrels!! 3310 is the best all round carb made.

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: Dodgem] #567270 12/31/09 03:11 PM 12/31/09 03:11 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 279 Mid Missouri E ETASPEN enthusiast
ETASPEN enthusiast E Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 279 Mid Missouri	3310. Also very tuneable, w/vac spring asst. for secondaries and quick change top.

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: Dodgem] #567271 12/31/09 03:29 PM 12/31/09 03:29 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	Quote: Quote: I guess I'm going to disagree with the carb of choice so far. The OP says this is a 360 that is a street only car. There's no reason to overcarb a street car. It will run way better with better throttle response and better mpg with a slightly smaller carb. Math says a 366 cube motor at 6500 RPM and 95% V.E. can use 654 CFM. Most motors will never see close to 95% V.E. And a double pumper on a street car with 3.23 or 3.55 gears is just plain bad advice. My choice would be a Holley 670 Street Avenger series. Wrong 3310 vacuum secondary and edelbrock carbs till the air door or secondaries receive enough vacuum created at the top of the venturies to open are 2 barrels!! 3310 is the best all round carb made. Uh, you are correct,.... but this also applies to every vacuum secondary carb Holley has ever made. Not just the 3310. I'll stand by my choice of the smaller 670cfm (Vacuum secondary) street avenger series. Neither is wrong, and both would work. My feeling is that the street avenger would offer crisper throttle response, as the venturies are slightly smaller and will offer a stronger vacuum signal. PS. The secondary vacuum signal is recieved through the baseplate, not at the top of the venturies. Last edited by GEnsrud; 12/31/09 04:03 PM. LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: StealthWedge67] #567272 12/31/09 03:44 PM 12/31/09 03:44 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	If you stick with the 3.23s & 2200 stall, i'd run the 3310, if you plan on changing to a higher stall (around 3000+) & more gear run the 4779 750dp. Before jumping the gun & buying "new", keep checking on e-bay, i picked up this carb with 11 hrs. left. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...RK%3AMEWNX%3AIT Last edited by joedust451; 12/31/09 03:54 PM. 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: joedust451] #567273 12/31/09 10:13 PM 12/31/09 10:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR DART67GT OP super stock
DART67GT OP super stock Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR	Thanks for the help so far. I have 2 used carbs sitting around, but I think one is too small (Holley 4160 600cfm single feed) and the other is junk and a spread bore (Holley 4011 650cfm dual feed). I guess I should start with what CFM do you suggest? I would think less than a 750 would bee too small??? I have no problem with buying used and rebuilding one. Also car is set up for a manual choke and I think I would like to keep it that way. 1967 Dodge Dart GT 3.23 sure grip 8.75/727/360 .020 over w/edelbrock heads 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab CTD

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567274 01/01/10 12:57 AM 01/01/10 12:57 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	750 would be the upper limit. IMO anything between 700 and up will be acceptable. That 650 spread bore carb would even do the job if you had a spreadbore intake.

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: AndyF] #567275 01/01/10 01:11 AM 01/01/10 01:11 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR DART67GT OP super stock
DART67GT OP super stock Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,010 Sandy, OR	Andy, With the spacer and the air gap intake, what throttle linkage will I need? 1967 Dodge Dart GT 3.23 sure grip 8.75/727/360 .020 over w/edelbrock heads 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab CTD

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #567276 01/01/10 01:29 AM 01/01/10 01:29 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 576 Bend, Oregon 6 67cuda340 super street
67cuda340 super street 6 Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 576 Bend, Oregon	I would use the 4160 600cfm that you have. Using any carb bigger than a 650 would be over kill. bigger isn't better I run a 650 mighty demon on my built 360. ported x heads, airgap, solid cam. runs 8.0 1/8th mile. 1973 Dodge Dart Sport 360 Drag radials 12.30 1/4 mile 7.82 1/8 mile

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567277 01/01/10 02:14 AM 01/01/10 02:14 AM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 48 Minnesota, USA M minnesota guy member
minnesota guy member M Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 48 Minnesota, USA	Run the 750 or 800 AVS or AFB. Get the jets dialed in properly and you will get much better gas mileage than a Holley especially on the street...It is all that motor can use..especially given the 323's....Chrysler ran the small one on the 68-70 340's and that was a great set up...The hot ticket on a 383 was to take the 440 750 AVS and gain 10hp or so.... I run a stinkin 1971 750 avs on my 71 street 440 cuda with cast iron intake and I run 11.89 with it at 113mph.... They are the easiest carb to work on in my opinion...not as many gaskets to leak as on a Holley and the floats are a measured setting...So you are not getting gasoline all over your new motor adjusting the floats on the Holleys... The new AFB's and AVs's are jetted on the extremely fat side...You will most likely need to reduce them down.....and keep them 4 corner square of the same size. Good Luck.

Re: Help me choose a carb please. [Re: DART67GT] #567278 01/01/10 02:25 AM 01/01/10 02:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,051 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,051 Oregon	Quote: Andy, With the spacer and the air gap intake, what throttle linkage will I need? Just the basic small block kit and return. Part number is AR004 and AR027. You need to run a cable kickdown with that setup. Swing by my shop and I'll set you up with the parts. 5702188-SB_RPM.jpg (20 downloads)

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