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Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: moper] #566748
12/31/09 09:42 AM
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could'nt of said it better. time and rpm are big factors.

Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: mafo] #566749
12/31/09 09:52 AM
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Quote:

my motor have 2.25 / 1.55 valves maybe it has something to do with it..




On your PS motor, what is the LSA and installed at.
The fact that you run a small valve on the exhaust
is why it has so much duration. Like was said already
it force over time to measure power.... every pulse
(firing)in a minute is what is measured.... put more
pulses in that minute it will be more(if you can get the
air/fuel in and out). Now when you get high rpm you
have to REALLY control the valves... bounce off the
seat will kill the power(letting that pressure out
with only a very short period of time to play in)

Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #566750
12/31/09 12:51 PM
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This is a solid post A 4340 forged crank with a 4" arm has around a 7300 rpm max safe limit providing good balance, A factory block, depending on sonic numbers and expertise in machine work and assembly have a variable that's hard to nail down <Most seem to think 600hp is getin close to the top> I see dyno sheets of 650+hp @ 7500 rpm on lots of factory blocks? Either way 7500 is exceeding the safe crank rpm in most stroker cranks, is trying to stay under the safe rpm just leaving too much on the table? Is the duration of High RPM short enough to bump up the RPMs, When they quote a safe FPM is that for continuous or intermittent use?

Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: moper] #566751
12/31/09 01:04 PM
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FWIW a engine making 900 HP @ 9500 RPM,s is only making 498 ft# of torque. mike

Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: emarine01] #566752
12/31/09 01:04 PM
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This is a solid post A 4340 forged crank with a 4" arm has around a 7300 rpm max safe limit providing good balance, A factory block, depending on sonic numbers and expertise in machine work and assembly have a variable that's hard to nail down <Most seem to think 600hp is getin close to the top> I see dyno sheets of 650+hp @ 7500 rpm on lots of factory blocks? Either way 7500 is exceeding the safe crank rpm in most stroker cranks, is trying to stay under the safe rpm just leaving too much on the table? Is the duration of High RPM short enough to bump up the RPMs, When they quote a safe FPM is that for continuous or intermittent use?




I cant say what the realistic HP limit is on a stock
SB... but if I spin a engine hard I want light parts
and a good balance... I have had my 405 ci up to
9600 searching for power... it quits about 8100
but holds it. My 395ci W-2 is just short of 600hp
and I run it to 8200 also but with my better heads
on my 405(W-9 heads) I figured it would want to turn
higher to make the power... but I did sorta wimped on
the cam and didnt go to the lift I needed and maybe
short on duration but I was looking for longevity
also (spring life) but they have been holding up fine

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Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #566753
12/31/09 02:57 PM
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i have a 71 360 block short filled with main studs and forged eagle crank and h beams. chuck millen told me my limit would be 680hp and 7500rpm. i wont be taking it there though, my wallets not big enough.

Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: mopar dave] #566754
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114.5 separation, installed at 110.5


-65 Valiant,420", all motor,2700#, dot tires, 8,42 @ 160,2
Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: mopar dave] #566755
01/01/10 12:54 PM
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Best answers:
1. ask your head porter for the flow data (bias), and what cam he recommends, if he builds engines with these heads similar to yours. If he doesn't, take the flow data to Harold Brookshire, etc.
2. duplicate the cam choice used successfully in an engine as similar to yours as you can find - especially size, head casting and porting, rocker ratio, and manifold.

What not to do:
Average, interpolate, or "take the best of both" from more than one model.


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Re: duration spread whats needed? [Re: polyspheric] #566756
01/01/10 08:05 PM
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good advice. i sent my cam into bullet yesterday for regrinding. the spread with be 4*. i'll see first hand how this works out.

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