Re: duration spread whats needed?
[Re: mopar dave]
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12/30/09 11:42 AM
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brett millers 395 had an 11* spread. so what determines the spread needed?
You will also notice that the engine made peak power of 662 HP @ 7300 RPM on Rider's 902 with 255º @ .050" cam..........
So again I say, put the one you have in @ 104º and run it.
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Re: duration spread whats needed?
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12/30/09 12:09 PM
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it just seems these guys that are making 800 and 900hp small blocks and do things differently than the guys in my leage(600hp). they have this anchient chineese secreat voodoo thing going on with how they build thier engines. i'm not talking about where to set the intake centerline angle on installation. i'm talking about the degree spread between the intake lobe and the exhaust lobe, for instance this cam bullets grinding for me is 268/272@50, thats a 4* spread.
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Re: duration spread whats needed?
[Re: emarine01]
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12/30/09 05:32 PM
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282/298 @ .050 and 314/334 @ .020 900hp @ 9500 truck motor
-65 Valiant,420", all motor,2700#, dot tires, 8,42 @ 160,2
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Re: duration spread whats needed?
[Re: mafo]
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12/30/09 06:00 PM
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Sounds like the same cam I just picked up from Bullet, Dave. We must be pretty close on builds......
Damn! I dropped my change.............
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Re: duration spread whats needed?
[Re: mopar dave]
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12/30/09 11:06 PM
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IMO 0 Spread is fine and a duration spread is not needed in most cases for a bracket car. With 0 spread like the MP cams have you can run deep into the 9,s with them. Most of the power is made from the intakes lobe Duration and Lobe sep. The exhausts lobes were just a duplicate of that in the past and that theory works out just Fine The only reason to deviate from that would be IMO Or other wize add more Exhaust duration would be; For a street car; Poor flowing head exhaust ports Full exhausts system Stock manifolds. For a race car; Nitrous motor Blown motor Turbo motor And High RPM motors. A higher RPM motor can be compared to a poor flowing lower Head motor. Its a function of Time. They both would want and can be helped with more time to get the exhaust out. With your typical bracket motor with good heads and headers a same lobe duration cam will run just as good as a dual lobe cam. Maybe even better because overlap will be reduced. mike
Last edited by Sport440; 12/30/09 11:07 PM.
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Re: duration spread whats needed?
[Re: mafo]
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12/31/09 08:47 AM
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Something else to consider that may be enlightening... If you are making 600hp at say, 6800rpm, what is that 900hp at 9500rpm engine doing at 6800? Part of the reason higher rpms make more power is more power strokes in the same amount of time. Horsepower is force over time. Does anyone have a dyno sheet that shows the power output of one of these 900hp engines at the same rpm peak of a typical multi-use 408? Yes, all parts need to work together, but having rounded power peaks rather than peaky ones is a lot harder than targeting a small rpm window to maximize output in. The PS truck mentioned does just that. The power curve of it is very high rpm and not very flat. It's not that hard to get a good idea of what the perfect setup is for a given rpm point. Its the packaging and execution, and trying to get that same perfect setup for a wider rpm band that is extremely difficult.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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