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Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting #563422
12/26/09 09:59 PM
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Just want to check myself before I order parts (live in Hawaii...)
Oil light came on - engine was running fine normal driving. Plenty oil is full, sounded like the upper end was starting to tick pretty good. My guess was the oil pump. Anything other than removing the pump and checking to troubleshoot?

So if it is what is a good pump for a 440 street engine running a Hydraulic roller cam?

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Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: scrag] #563423
12/26/09 10:07 PM
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Try an oil filter change first. What happened before the oil pressure went away? Were you getting on it or cruising or what? There are a nunmber of things that can cause the loss of pressure including a lifter popped out of it's bore. A broken pump drive shaft can do it. When you pull the puymp check to see if the tab om the drive is good.

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: scrag] #563424
12/26/09 10:07 PM
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may have a pickup tube problem,crack in the threaded part?

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: scrag] #563425
12/26/09 10:12 PM
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All of a sudden the light came on & lifters started ticking?. I'd pull the dist/inter shaft & spin the pump (ccw) w a drill/5/16" hex shaft like when you are preoiling & see what happens.


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Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: RapidRobert] #563426
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I had accelerated from a light - maybe cracked the throttle some but nothing hard ran the RPM's up a bit and when I shifted into second noticed the light come on. I got the car over to place where I could stop it and noticed an increase in vlalve train noise - oil level is fine. My guess was either the pump (spring) or shaft. I will pull the distributor in a bit and see try to spin the pump with a drill.

If it is the pump - I can get a seal power replacement pump locally - stock pump. If I want to use a melling or go with a "High Preasure or High Volume" it will have to come off island.
Either way is fine as long as it is the right way.
Thanks again.

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: scrag] #563427
12/26/09 10:43 PM
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I'd go with a stock pump. There is nothing wrong with them.

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: scrag] #563428
12/26/09 10:45 PM
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If a small piece of anything gets into the pump it will lock and shear the intermediate shaft right where it meets the pump. Had this happen a few times over the years. One time it was gasket material, the second time it was casting flash!

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: scrag] #563429
12/26/09 11:11 PM
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I had accelerated from a light - maybe cracked the throttle some but nothing hard ran the RPM's up a bit and when I shifted into second noticed the light come on. I got the car over to place where I could stop it and noticed an increase in vlalve train noise - oil level is fine. My guess was either the pump (spring) or shaft. I will pull the distributor in a bit and see try to spin the pump with a drill.

If it is the pump - I can get a seal power replacement pump locally - stock pump. If I want to use a melling or go with a "High Preasure or High Volume" it will have to come off island.
Either way is fine as long as it is the right way.
Thanks again.






I would do what you plan first, pull the distributor and use a priming rod. See what happens. Next, pull the valvecovers and check for a broken lifter or rocker gear. The "increase valvetrain noise " and oil pressure loss all at the same time usually indicates a lifter broke or popped out as already suggested.

I'd also pull the oil filter and have it cut open to check for debris. ( if you dont find the problem with the distributor out.)

If none of the above, could be broken pick up, sheared shaft, broken tip, stuck relief etc.

Standard oil pump is more than adequate.


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Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #563430
12/26/09 11:27 PM
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Thanks for the help = intermediate shaft is fine - I am off to borrow a primeer as I can not find mine. Car has Hydraulic roller lifters and each lifter is paired up with another - if one of those failed it would make a bunch of noise - engine also was not running rough - I lost a rocker before and it ran like crap so I am leaning towards a pump. RGR the stock pump that is what I figured as well.

Thanks again.

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: scrag] #563431
12/27/09 12:10 AM
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hi
check your oil pump relief valve , a piece of something may have caused it to stick open ?

also look inside the pump by disassembling it !

good luck

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: calrobb2000] #563432
12/27/09 12:13 AM
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Oil pump failure is uncommon to say the least.

I'd at least look under the valve covers before I went to the trouble of changing it.

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: stumpy] #563433
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I'd go with a stock pump. There is nothing wrong with them.


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Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: calrobb2000] #563434
12/27/09 07:56 AM
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Quote:

hi
check your oil pump relief valve , a piece of something may have caused it to stick open ?

also look inside the pump by disassembling it !

good luck





I once ran into the same problem. Stranded on the road side. Pulled intake, distrebutor, pump driveshaft etc. Could not find anything wrong. Then pulled the pump and found that the relief valve was not moving smooth so I R&R'd it till it moved freely, packed the pump with grease and started the engine. Got oil pressure and drove 100 miles home without any issues! Check the pump. It is worth a shot!

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: General 68] #563435
12/29/09 01:39 AM
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Thanks for the help everyone - sure is nice to get some feedback when you have doubts.
Pump was bad. Installed it and primed it - eventually and we were off and running. 808Cuda came by and helped and now we will have some laughs later...

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: scrag] #563436
12/29/09 03:36 PM
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before going to all that trouble, pull the valve covers off and make sure that you didn't pop a pushrod into a rocker arm and pop the lifter out. i know about that. i didn't hear it but the top end started rattling like zero oil pressure and found that 2 pushrods had bent, 1 lifter popped out. put the lifter back in, replaced the 2 pushrods & fired it back up. if you caught it fairly early then you shouldn't have any damage. should just cost you the price of gaskets. dave

Re: Big Block Oil pump trouble shooting [Re: RO23dave] #563437
12/29/09 04:50 PM
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Hey Dave, he already fixed it with a new pump.







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